Now that some people seem to be working on salvaging the weather system... I remember one thing that was somewhat polemic about it, was the choice of two *corners* of the map for the poles (nw and se IIRC), rather than the north and south as would seem more reasonable. This does incidentally work remarkably well for Wolfsburg, which ends up a hot, but miserably rainy town - as would be expected of a pirate port. Scorn is also suitably temperate, and the "mushroom peninsula" is tropical enough for its swamp. However, it can be argued that Brest/Britany is warmer than it should. And I haven't yet seen mikeusa's new region. Another problem of this approach is that it assumes we're looking at the complete planet; however, some devs have expressed the view that this is but one continent. The plaque in Lone Town's "dragon" entrance claims Pupland is an island (which actually kind of shocked me, I always thought it was the name of the nation, but I digress). And the Empire supposedly originated from another continent, with which we lost contact eventually for unknown reasons. So before the weather system is made usable, it would IMHO be a good idea to make a decision about where "our" continent is located on the planet. Given the distribution of cities, I would expect it to be in the southern hemisphere; although this would kind of spoil it for the "mushroom peninsula", it makes sense for all towns. Of use here could be Brendan's recent mathematical unit rationalization: - 1 outdoor square = 1 chain - the continent is approximately 1500 chains from N to S and from W to E; about 18 miles, or 30 km. - Earth (for comparison) is about 992716 chains from N to S (12409 miles, 19970 km), and 1992112 chains around the equator (24901 miles, 40075 km). - So if Bigworld is more or less the same size as Earth (and Brendan is correct), then this continent occupies about 0.075% of the W-E circumference, and about 0.15% of the distance between poles. - For another comparison, the Hawaiian island of O'ahu (where Honolulu is located) is about 2500 chains W-E (32 miles, 51km) and 3280 chains (41 miles, 66km). Since it's not as neatly square-ish as "our" continent, we can say they have roughly the same area. Hmm. Maybe "bigworld" is not big at all :-P Brendan's calculations still make sense to me generally, except that now I'm thinking about one-chain-wide mountains and finding them a bit silly. But that can pass, since those are relatively rare. On the other hand, fantasy worlds don't *have* to be the same size as Earth. (They don't even have to be the same shape... a disc, with the "pole" at the center, or a ring, or even the "normal" shape but with us in the inside rather than outside, are all heard of; and many fantasy worlds are simply flat - some discoid, some rectangular. So there. But we'd better stick with almost-spherical, if for no other reason, because changing the shape would probably require rethinking part of the weather code. On the other hand, a rectangular flat world avoids problems of projection, in case we end up mapping the whole surface.) For consistency reasons (since we don't have contact with other continents, and what with dragons and magic, I believe we have more than enough "technology" to do that), I can see two possibilities: 1 - the world is *much* smaller than Earth - the maps we have (in /world) cover from 10% to half its area. People don't go to the "old continent" because they don't want to (maybe they're afraid of the "old empire", or maybe the "old empire" indeed has powerful defenses, or maybe it was overtaken by monsters.) 2 - the world is mostly water-covered; there may be other inhabited continents out there, but the chance of a traveller actually finding it is so small, that nobody bothers to try. Nobody knows exactly where the "old empire" is supposed to be; if anyone ever found it, they didn't come back. The world could still be somewhat smaller than Earth, just to give us enough weather variation in our continent; if we make the world 1% the dimensions of Earth, then our continent would be proportionally about the size of Australia. (I'd make it slightly bigger than that; what about 15000 chains from pole to pole - so our continent is a neat exact 10% - and 32000 around the equator?) best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable. -- http://www.laranja.org/ mailto: lalo.martins at gmail.com GNU: never give up freedom http://www.gnu.org/