[crossfire] Re: [Crossfire-devel] Made a CVS upload error: /maps-bigworld/unlinked/mlab-devel/mlab-devel.tar.gz

[Mitch Obrian]

If you don't want mlab then fine. I am _not_ going to
change for you, just as you are _not_ going to change
for me.

--- Mark Wedel <
     
     mwedel at sonic.net
     
     > wrote:

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      Mitch Obrian wrote:
     
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      > For all other maps sans mlab I follow the map
     
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      guide.
     
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      > However mlab was started way before these, thus it
     
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      > uses the flatdirectory structure so it stays
     
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      working.
     
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      > I've seen maps break many times before, including
     
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      my
     
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      > tavern when it was uploaded to cvs originally.
     
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        The issue is that there seems to be no work on
     
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      your part to move it into the 
     
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      proper directory layout.
     
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        If there was some progess being made in going to a
     
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      non flat structure, 
     
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      wouldn't be a big deal.
     
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      > 
     
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      > Why must there be contoversy just over a file
     
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      system? 
     
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        Ask yourself the same question - why can't you fix
     
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      them so they aren't in a 
     
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      flat directory.
     
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      > 
     
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      > If I can't upload my maps to CVS where do I back
     
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      them
     
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      > up to? Are they that worthless? I do a fair amount
     
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      of
     
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      > CF work in arches and non-mlab maps, could I have
     
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      > alittle slack? Why is there opposistion just
     
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      because I
     
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      > put the maps in their own flatlevel dir?
     
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        Sourceforge and the crossfire distribution in
     
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      particular is not meant to 
     
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      provide a backup service for people.
     
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        There are standard practices for a reason.  The
     
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      second exceptions start 
     
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      getting made for one person, the next person shows
     
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      up and says 'well, you did it 
     
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      for him, why not for me'.  And figuring out what
     
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      rules to break for who then 
     
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      leads to a mess of problems.
     
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      > 
     
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      > The reasoning that mlab doesn't even deserve to be
     
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      in
     
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      > CVS is very alienating, I've worked years on
     
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      theses
     
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      > maps. I work nearly constantly on maps for CF.
     
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        I don't think I said it doesn't deserve to be in
     
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      CVS.  I've just said that if 
     
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      it is in CVS, it should follow proper standards.
     
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      > 
     
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      > Mlab could be intergrated into CF-proper right now
     
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      if
     
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      > I was just given the OK. If an exception to the
     
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      dir
     
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      > rule was made.
     
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      > 
     
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      > I though after being involved in CF this long the
     
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      > controversy was over and I could develop as a
     
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      regular
     
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      > without asking about every change. I uploaded mlab
     
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      so
     
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      > it would be with CF, so if my computers go down my
     
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      > years of work are not lost. Sure one can say "go
     
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      find
     
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      > some other place to back up to" but... that's
     
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      > basically telling the person to screw off; their
     
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      work
     
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      > is of little value.
     
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        Simple solution is that if you make the directory
     
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      structure follow the proper 
     
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      naming, it could be an official part of the map
     
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      distribution.
     
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        The only issue is that your completely unwilling
     
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      to do that.  Some people have 
     
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      even started the work to integrate your maps with
     
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      proper naming structure, but 
     
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      you continue to keep going with yours (so that even
     
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      those get updated).
     
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        Sure, we could make an exception.  Or you could
     
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      just follow the rules.  The 
     
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      fact that your not willing to make any effort to do
     
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      so doesn't give me any 
     
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      reason whatever on why I should bend the rules for
     
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      you.
     
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