*chuckle* yeah - I'm getting that impression - he's my advisor - but if there's one thing I learned at St. Paul tech, is not to count on their advising...which is fine - I've gone through three universities by now. I've learned how to work the system... Anyway - Thanks!!! Liz On Tue, 26 Dec 2000, Miller, John wrote: > I got my AAS from St. Paul Tech. The teacher to avoid would be Warren > Shaffer. Wonderful guy but he can be unpredictable and deviates from the > syllabus all the time. I had him for many of my programming classes. Every > class, except for the last one I had, started 15 to 20 minutes late. The > last one started on time because he scheduled it to start 20 minutes after > the "official" start time. I did have him for C++ and he shined in that > class. St. Paul Tech offers a UNIX class, I took it. It just covered the > basics. > > John Miller > Dain Rauscher Inc. > Application Services > IS Capital Markets > Phone 612-547-7573 > Fax 612-547-7580 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Liz Burke-Scovill [mailto:kethry at winternet.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 6:16 PM > To: tclug-list at lists.real-time.com > Subject: [TCLUG] Schools and Programming - Java class review. > > > > St. Paul Tech - it's part of my C++/Java Programmer's certificate. I just > finished Java Programming 1 - I wanted to wait until I have more practical > experience before taking Java Programming 2 - besides I havne't started on > the C/C++ track yet and that's core to the certificate. Anyway... > > I don't know much else about the other teachers there but I really liked > the Java class that Ken Krutsch taught. For one, instead of the Java in 21 > Days-like books that the other instructors chose, Ken chose the Java > Programming book published by Sun. Supposedly he was supposed to teach > towards certification, but as he said on day 1, he wouldn't get to teach > us as much as he did, and besides, we wouldn't remember it after the exam > anyway. So...the first half of the semester was spent learning the basic > language elements, installing compiling, running Java programs that speak > with the command prompt as opposed through a GUI, etc...the second half of > the course went through discussing probably the more important API's - > java.awt.*, javax.swing.*, multithreading, streams, servlets, etc... He's > been programming for about 15 years professionally, and picked up Java > when the white paper was released. Since Java came out, he's been > professionally programming it, usually as a consultant, and usually as the > person they called to clean up code. What this meant was a) there were > times where he was difficult to understand but he really gave us a good > core understanding of the language - where it came from, how it can be > implemented, and how to write things different ways - always emphasizing > error handling and non-spaghetti code. > > Let's see - on the linux side - well, he's a unix guy from way back, so > would give us all of the cool tips and tools - which wouldn't run on > Windows - because he uses linux primarily at home - for those that had to > use windows, he provided us with links to unix shell programs that allowed > you to use your command prompt as if you were in unix - and could use vi, > emacs, etc...was pretty cool - unfortunately he didn't give instructions > on how to install them, and much of the software provided I didn't have > time to fiddle and play with until I could get it to work - not with two > kids and full time job in addition to WAY TOO MANY outside interests like > Renn Fest, etc., but I digress.... > > I spent the first half of the semester wondering if I would even pass the > class as this was my first programming class in 10 years...and I didn't do > well on the test, but what I found was no matter what I did on the tests, > I came away with a really thorough understanding of the language (I did > Ace the final, btw) - and was able to use it in my job to analyze a rather > large web based application... > > Soooooooooo.....the long and the short of it is - if you can ever take a > class by Ken Krutsch - definitely do so... > > Liz > > > On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, grey Moon-Wolf wrote: > > > > > --- Liz Burke-Scovill <kethry at winternet.com> wrote: > > > > > > I'm starting my C++ class next month if that counts > > > ;)... > > > > > > Liz > > Liz, > > Where are you taking C++? Just curious... - Manuel > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list at lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry at winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html