> Actually, FVWM gets more geek points than WindowMaker by virtue of being > older - the geek is giving up the newfangled ideas of possible comfort for > something he or she knows how to hack like the back of their hand. I experimented with a wide variety of window managers/desktop environments at various times; twm, fvwm, fvwm2, aewm, olwm, olvwm, CDE, larswm (about as mimimal as it gets), wm2, kdm/KDE, sawfish/GNOME, enlightenment/GNOME, plain enlightenment, Windowmaker, AfterStep, xfce, and fvwm95. I keep coming back to FVWM2 because it will do almost everything that's important to me (customize button function & layout, notably); and like Yaron said, I know how to make it do what I want. It's lacking a few nice features (GNOME integration, remembering window placement, keeping transient windows on top by default); but the 2.4 release (Real Soon Now...) should fix all that. :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700