You are way over my head, technically. But this group (TCLUG) is full of 
experts.

But I do know ATT is not stupid. They have given you their defense for 
what you have discovered. And you have discovered they filter internet 
access; for whatever reason, to whatever degree. My hat's off to you.

A recent posting discussed the possibility that M$ was allowing viruses 
and worms in their OS. This, in order to justify trying to supplant 
TCP/IP with a proprietary internet system. Such might be the case here. A 
little cynicism is very healthy.  

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 8/19/01, 6:48:05 PM, Jon Schewe <jpschewe at mtu.net> wrote regarding Re Re 
[TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites at 3.sdm.sdm:


> Yes, that's what they said, clearly not understanding the problem.  
Here's the
> quote
> --start quote--
> Thank you for writing AT&T BroadBand Cable Internet Services regarding
> the Internet service and Port 80.  I apologize for any inconvenience
> which you have experienced with our filter on Port 80.

> NOTE: We do not block your access to sites such as www.yahoo.com or any
> others.

> It has been confirmed that a block will remain in effect (for reasons
> related to the Code Red worm) until AT&T BroadBand feels it is safe to
> remove it.  This has been done to protect the network and we have no way
> of removing it or getting it removed, at this point in time.

> Please refer to the following section of the Terms and Conditions which
> are applicable to this issue:

> Section 10.9 You agree that AT&T and ServiceCo shall each have the right
> to take any action that either AT&T or ServiceCo deems appropriate to
> protect the Road Runner Service, its facilities and equipment.
> --end quote--

> This shows they're filtering inbound traffic, but (supposedly) not 
outbound
> traffic.

> After this message I sent back a clear example where I explain telnetting 
to
> port 80 to check the connection.  After that I got back a message that 
they're
> looking into the matter, which is probably the best response I've gotten 
out
> of them all weekend.  Now we'll see if they really are looking into it.


> Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com> writes:

> > Please be more clear. Did AT&T say to you (in essence), "We're filtering
> > access to port 80, that's why its not working??" (FYI I am NOT a lawyer.)
> >
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> >
> > On 8/18/01, 10:03:54 PM, Jon Schewe <jpschewe at mtu.net> wrote regarding Re
> > [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites at 3.sdm:
> >
> >
> > > Well I wrote AT&T "tech support" last night.  I've actually gotten a
> > couple of
> > > messages back.  First one is the standard, reinstall TCP drivers.  Wrote
> > back
> > > that won't make a difference, I can connecto to SOME sites.  So they ask
> > for
> > > traceroutes to the sites, I don't think this will help, but it at least
> > shows
> > > a little more knowledge.  So I send them along.  I get back, we're
> > filtering
> > > access to port 80, that's why it's not working.  Man are some people just
> > > stupid or what?
> >
> > > --
> > > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe at mtu.net
> > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels
> > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any
> > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all
> > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that
> > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39
> >
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> For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels
> nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any
> powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all
> creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that
> is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39

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