Sadly, it is true. I can't deny it. Now is it a particular version (2, 4, 5, 6/95, 97/2000, XP, ...) that is the standard, or does it just have to be MS made? Grrr..., don't answer that. Just because it's true doesn't mean I have to like it or that I can't complain about it. >>> blutgens at sistina.com 08/30/01 01:20PM >>> It doesn't need to be portable it's the standard.