I don't know if this helps or not, but I just read that IBM is producing a Domino server that is supposed to "play well with Outlook". I think if I remember correctly it's based on Linux. -----Original Message----- From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad at marketwatch.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:54 PM To: 'tclug-list at mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? > Wow. why in the world would a person need/want/think about > 50K messages > in a mailbox? I'm on many different mailing lists for various software packages, security lists, and other things. Plus, I get several hundred emails a week from people I work with on various issues. I get nearly 1000 messages a day, and most get deleted. I delete what I can do without, but I really need to keep as much around as possible in case I need to look back on it. I lost about 3 months of mail from late 1999, and I find myself needing to go back and find stuff from then fairly often. My mailbox tends to act as my memory for almost all of my work related stuff. If I delete something, chances are I will forget the details of it 3 months later. One of the Kmail developers told me that Outlook uses IMAP to pull mail from an exchange server, but I think he's wrong. Outlook connects to ports 1225 and 1226 on the exchange server, not the IMAP port. Exchange sends notifications to the client when new mail arrives also, with IMAP, you have to check every few minutes. Having the scheduling, mail, task lists, and other things all together is actually nice once you've gotten used to it. I'm much more productive now that I was at my last company where we had separate systems for everything, and no integrated scheduling. I think the concept of Exchange/Lotus Notes is right, but the implementations suck. Outlook is bloated and slow, Exchange is buggy, Notes just plain sucks ass in all respects (except for the "runs on Solaris" part). PHPGroupware is nice, but the requirement of a web interface to use it sucks, although, I think they are working on a KDE or GNOME client that just pulls and posts XML in the background. Isn't The Kompany working on an integrated system for Aethera? Or was that the gnome people for Evolution? Right now, there are no open standards for this type of thing, and there needs to be. Even better, whatever kind of server that ends up getting developed for linux needs to have some sort of connector to MS Exchange so companies could have a nice easy migration path, instead of just tearing out one system and replacing it with another. And it also needs to have some sort of clustering/redundancy built in. Notes and Exchange have a rather poor implementation of clustering, but it does work, and it will most likely save your ass if one of the servers dies/crashes/explodes. I know I wouldn't implement any kind of mailserver solution in a large corporate environment without some sort of failover (preferably transparent). Failover should be easy, just replicate every database transaction to your standby server, and use tools from the linuxHA project to do the actual failover monitoring. I don't know how easy it is to replicate both ways, but if it was easy, setting up a cluster using the linux virtual server would be fairly trivial also. Bah, enough of my ranting. I have work to do. In fact, work to do on mailservers, something which I'm quite sick of. Jay > > duncan > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list