Oh, the pleasure is all mine. If you can't have pointless arguments that no one cares about anyway, then what's the point of even having an Internet. :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 12/6/01, 10:21:56 AM, Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> wrote regarding Re: [TCLUG] archived threads: > On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 08:41, Petre Scheie wrote: > > I disagree with your statement. The answer may be obvious to you (the > > links at the bottom of the > > messages), how to solve the problem may be obvious to you (use google > to > > get to the > > TCLUG website), but for whatever reason, it wasn't obvious to uak or > the > > question wouldn't > > have been raised. And uak was trying to do some sort of research by > > investigating the > > archives, so it's not like there was no initiative. > Yes, yes, you're a good person. Let it go, take a breath. > Besides at this point, I've given up making a point and am enjoying > pulling your strings. You are a good source of entertainment. > Thanks for playing. > > > > Many people are just starting to investigate linux. One suggestion > they > > hear repeatedly is that if you need help, check out the local LUG. > Keep > > in mind, many (most?) of these people don't know how mailing lists > work, > > don't really understand how LUGs operate; they're not stupid, they > just > > have limited experience in this kind of online environment. So > someone > > asks a question, and they're told they should feel shame for even > asking. > > That person comes away feeling put off by 'those linux snobs', which > is > > not what we want. > > > > What's wrong with people asking obvious questions? If you think it's > a > > dumb question, DON'T ANSWER IT! But don't insult people who are just > > asking for help. > > > > [OT tangent]: Teaching kids how to use computers shouldn't mean just > > teaching them Excel or StarOffice or any particular app, or even word > > processsing in general. It should be about teaching them how to > access > > and utilize resources like the web, mailing lists & archives, and > > generally about how to hunt down info. One of the things I've noticed > in > > moving to open source solutions over the years is that I don't pay > much > > attention to ads for commercial software any more. And I suspect many > > linux users are the same. In contrast, MS users are accustomed to > > solving problems by relying on ads they see for commercial products. > > They're used to buying MS's stuff, and so, without even thinking about > it > > really, approach all other computer problems with a "What can I buy to > > solve this problem" attitude. It never even occurs to them to look > for a > > free alternative. > > [/tangent] > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > On 12/5/01, 6:55:53 PM, Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> wrote > regarding > > Re: [TCLUG] archived threads: > > > > > > > On Wed, 2001-12-05 at 16:43, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > > > > If you think I am idiot, keep it to yourself, I don't need to > hear > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > uak > > > > > > > > > > I don't think insulting someone for asking a question is > 'welcoming' > > > and > > > > > neither did uak apparently. > > > > > Perhaps he meant it as humor but I don't think it comes across > that > > > way. > > > > > oh well. I didn't directly call the person who wrote this question > an > > > idiot but as they say "If the shoe fits...." > > > > > All I said was that the person should feel shame. Does anyone > disagree > > > with that statement? Who else was thinking it? > > > > > Oh and to further add insult to injury.... > > > > > Go to http://www.google.com and type "twin cities linux user group" > in > > > the search box. The TOP link is http://www.mn-linux.org if you click > > > that link you get *GASP* the LUG website which CLEARLY has links to > the > > > mailing lists and thier archives. > > > > > Was asking a crime? No. But will said person think twice and perhaps > > > exercise a little reason and conduct some research before posting a > > > question that they (admittedly) knew was not exactly a tough one to > > > answer.... > > > > > > > > I read that sentence over and over again and I can't see the > insulting > > > > part in it. She said herself she was asking the question even > though > > > > it might have been answered 300 times on the list before. And in > fact > > > > it had been since Bob changed the list signature to have all the > nice > > > > info in it. > > > > > Don't defend me Thom, let em whine. > > > > > -- > > > Ben Lutgens > > > System Administrator > > > Sistina Software Inc. > > > > > "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on > > > fire." > > > - George Carlin > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- > Ben Lutgens > Sistina Software Inc. > Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream