Oh, the pleasure is all mine.  If you can't have pointless arguments that 
no one cares about anyway, then what's the point of even having an 
Internet. :-)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 12/6/01, 10:21:56 AM, Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> wrote regarding 
Re: [TCLUG] archived threads:


> On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 08:41, Petre Scheie wrote:
> > I disagree with your statement.  The answer may be obvious to you (the

> > links at the bottom of the
> > messages), how to solve the problem may be obvious to you (use google
> to
> > get to the
> > TCLUG website), but for whatever reason, it wasn't obvious to uak or
> the
> > question wouldn't
> > have been raised.  And uak was trying to do some sort of research by
> > investigating the
> > archives, so it's not like there was no initiative.

> Yes, yes, you're a good person. Let it go, take a breath.

> Besides at this point, I've given up making a point and am enjoying
> pulling your strings. You are a good source of entertainment.

> Thanks for playing.


> >
> > Many people are just starting to investigate linux.  One suggestion
> they
> > hear repeatedly is that if you need help, check out the local LUG.
> Keep
> > in mind, many (most?) of these people don't know how mailing lists
> work,
> > don't really understand how LUGs operate; they're not stupid, they
> just
> > have limited experience in this kind of online environment.  So
> someone
> > asks a question, and they're told they should feel shame for even
> asking.
> > That person comes away feeling put off by 'those linux snobs', which
> is
> > not what we want.
> >
> > What's wrong with people asking obvious questions?  If you think it's
> a
> > dumb question, DON'T ANSWER IT!  But don't insult people who are just
> > asking for help.
> >
> > [OT tangent]: Teaching kids how to use computers shouldn't mean just
> > teaching them Excel or StarOffice or any particular app, or even word
> > processsing in general.  It should be about teaching them how to
> access
> > and utilize resources like the web, mailing lists & archives, and
> > generally about how to hunt down info.  One of the things I've noticed
> in
> > moving to open source solutions over the years is that I don't pay
> much
> > attention to ads for commercial software any more.  And I suspect many

> > linux users are the same.  In contrast, MS users are accustomed to
> > solving problems by relying on ads they see for commercial products.
> > They're used to buying MS's stuff, and so, without even thinking about
> it
> > really, approach all other computer problems with a "What can I buy to

> > solve this problem" attitude.  It never even occurs to them to look
> for a
> > free alternative.
> > [/tangent]
> >
> >
> >
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> >
> > On 12/5/01, 6:55:53 PM, Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> wrote
> regarding
> > Re: [TCLUG] archived threads:
> >
> >
> > > On Wed, 2001-12-05 at 16:43, Thomas Eibner wrote:
> > > > > > If you think I am idiot, keep it to yourself, I don't need to
> hear
> > > it.
> > > > >
> > > > > > uak
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't think insulting someone for asking a question is
> 'welcoming'
> > > and
> > > > > neither did uak apparently.
> > > > > Perhaps he meant it as humor but I don't think it comes across
> that
> > > way.
> >
> > > oh well. I didn't directly call the person who wrote this question
> an
> > > idiot but as they say "If the shoe fits...."
> >
> > > All I said was that the person should feel shame. Does anyone
> disagree
> > > with that statement? Who else was thinking it?
> >
> > > Oh and to further add insult to injury....
> >
> > > Go to http://www.google.com and type "twin cities linux user group"
> in
> > > the search box. The TOP link is http://www.mn-linux.org if you click
> > > that link you get *GASP* the LUG website which CLEARLY has links to
> the
> > > mailing lists and thier archives.
> >
> > > Was asking a crime? No. But will said person think twice and perhaps
> > > exercise a little reason and conduct some research before posting a
> > > question that they (admittedly) knew was not exactly a tough one to
> > > answer....
> >
> >
> > > > I read that sentence over and over again and I can't see the
> insulting
> > > > part in it. She said herself she was asking the question even
> though
> > > > it might have been answered 300 times on the list before. And in
> fact
> > > > it had been since Bob changed the list signature to have all the
> nice
> > > > info in it.
> >
> > > Don't defend me Thom, let em whine.
> >
> > > --
> > > Ben Lutgens
> > > System Administrator
> > > Sistina Software Inc.
> >
> > > "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on
> > > fire."
> > >       - George Carlin
> > _______________________________________________
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> Minnesota
> > http://www.mn-linux.org
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> --
> Ben Lutgens           
> Sistina Software Inc. 
> Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream