Well oddly enough, I did fdisk /mbr the f***ing thing. I was using a silly ol' WDisktools wizard disk, all it offered was the zero fill. I vaguely recall solving a simular issue with a LL format. But at the hours I am able to work on my own system LL format and zero fill kind of all melt into one data erasing pot. Come to think about it, the only real way to completely destroy data is with a sledge hammer... I'm off the Home Depot... -Spencer Underground Spencer mailto:spencer at sihope.com Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com