Does anyone know of anything else like netsaint? Just curious. We're using netsaint, and it works great, but I was wondering if there were any other products out there which are similar (not commercial). Something PHP based maybe? Also, which list should we be sending to? The real-time.com or the mn-linux.org list? I see alot of people using the mn-linux.org list and I thought we weren't supposed to use that anymore, but I just tried sending to the real-time one about an hour ago and it still hasn't showed up on the list. Jay