Off-topic: I'm trying to get some windows boxes (2000, ME) to connect on the network and ping to each other. They won't but the Debian box seems to be okay. I've got addresses assigned, etc, but they won't talk to each other: some boxes won't even ping themselves. Anybody seen anything like this before? Any hints or suggestions (it's already occurred to me to have a huge bonfire). Thanks. - Dave -- Dave Kleist dkleist at acm.org "The covers of this book are too far apart." - Ambrose Bierce