Most distros that I have seen so far do include at least 3 window managers: twm, icewm, +window manager of choice. Also, in most every distro I have seen, you select groups of packages (often resulting in more than I want) or I spend hours clicking "no". Debian may install a base system, but is that really any different than doing LFS? I just have more control over how it works. I also wanted to get my entire install on a hard drive of a wee 500Mb. As for the "make uninstall".. well, how often do you spend removing programs you don't want? I did it a lot on both the debian install and the mandrake install.. only because I found out what they were installing really wasn't what I wanted. Now I look at each piece and decide if I want it. So I don't uninstall much. Another aspect is security.. as I know everything that is running, (I must know, I put it there) things I don't use are unlikely to cause problems. And when an advisory goes out, I know right away if it affects me. I also don't have the problem redhat has, where "hackers" know how 80% of the systems are laid out. I admit, LFS is not for everyone. But neither is Linux. I think Debian and Mandrake, and [insert distro you use here] all have their place. But after some frustration on my part, I decided that place was not on my own computer. Kind of like the satisfaction some people get out of building a custom car. Jay -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Florin Iucha Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 9:44 AM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cron On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 09:16:08AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > > >On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:05:26AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > >> I installed Linux by hand (using LFS as a guide, but many customizations > >> along the way). > > > >Good luck to you, brave soul. > > Really, its not that hard. I have a fully working system, and I know > everything in it. I know what version everything is, and best of all, I > don't have 10 window managers (read: bloat) installed, only what I want. I > highly recommend anyone who has the time, to give it a try. The nice part > about it is you don't loose your current setup while you do it; they coexist > very nicely. Well it's not hard to build a plane, it's hard to make it fly. The main problem is maintaining and upgrading your system. "make install" is nice but most of the packages do not have a "make uninstall". C'mon: no Linux distribution installs by default more than 2-3 window managers and of course you have to click "No" for hours in all the menus deselecting stuff you don't use. If you are tired of that, try Debian. It installs a bare minimum and then asks you what to install, without putting too much in the defaults... florin -- "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list