Scream? Dreamweaver under wine? vi! :) Or, OSX with some GNU software. If there's an app you depend on and that app is tied to Win and Mac, converting users is going to be hard. Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 http://www.ringworld.org | PCS: 612.306.6055 They must not get baseball sized hail in Redmond. If they did MS would have realized HailStorm is a bad name for their new services.