I just tried going to the mailing list page for TCLUG with Opera and got "Certificate signer not found". "The server's certificate chain is incomplete, and the signer(s) are not registered. Accept?" What's up with that? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe at mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39