help ----- Original Message ----- From: <tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 11:21 AM Subject: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1671 - 16 msgs > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Austad, Jay) > 2. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Jay Kline) > 3. dpkg override (Timothy Wilson) > 4. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Florin Iucha) > 5. Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues (andy at theasis.com) > 6. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Jack Ungerleider) > 7. RE: Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues (James Spinti) > 8. Re: dpkg override (Dave Sherohman) > 9. RE: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Austad, Jay) > 10. RE: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Austad, Jay) > 11. Debian install (Shawn) > 12. Re: dpkg override (Jim Crumley) > 13. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Nate Straz) > 14. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Nate Straz) > 15. Backgrounding processes? (Simeon Johnston) > 16. Re: dpkg override (Timothy Wilson) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "Austad, Jay" <austad at marketwatch.com> > To: "'tclug-list at mn-linux.org'" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:14:49 -0600 > Subject: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to 2.4.13. All of > my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails option. It works > great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my new kernel, I get a > kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs. > > I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and also tried it as > a module with an initrd image created with the --preload reiserfs option. > I've also tried converting /boot to ext2 and that doesn't work either. > > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening? > > Jay > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: Jay Kline <list at slushpupie.com> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:08:50 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > It will most certainly not work as a module if all your partitions are > reiserfs. It needs to be able to read the filesystem the modules are located > on, and thus the kernel must have one fs built in, which should be your root > partition (and where your modules should be). Of course, there are always > exceptions out there, but as a general rule, thats how it works. > > As for why you can boot with an all reiserfs, I had the same trouble in > 2.4.11+. I have not been able to get a single build on my system to boot. > So here I sit at 2.4.9 and am pretty happy thus far. I have heard a few other > strange things with the newer kernels anyway. > > A little off topic, but has anyone noticed the absence of a development > branch in the kernel? As a result, it seems more bugs have poped up. > > Jay > > On Monday 19 November 2001 09:14 pm, you wrote: > > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to 2.4.13. All of > > my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails option. It works > > great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my new kernel, I get a > > kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs. > > > > I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and also tried it as > > a module with an initrd image created with the --preload reiserfs option. > > I've also tried converting /boot to ext2 and that doesn't work either. > > > > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening? > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Jay Kline > list at slushpupie.com > http://www.slushpupie.com > -- > question = ( to ) ? be : ! be; > -- Wm. Shakespeare > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:55:27 -0600 (CST) > From: Timothy Wilson <wilson at visi.com> > To: TCLUG <tclug-list at lists.real-time.com> > Subject: [TCLUG] dpkg override > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Hi everyone, > > For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past apt-get upgrade produced > a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman reinstalled (while > keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might add), but the CGI scripts > are gone. As a result, requests for > http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go unanswered because there > are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/. > > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb > > hoping that the scripts would get reinstalled. No luck. > > What's the most elegant way to get this working? I don't want to delete my > existing lists. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson at visi.com | <dtml-var pithy_quote> | http://linux.com > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:14:22 -0600 > From: "Florin Iucha" <florin at iucha.net> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:14:49PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to 2.4.13. All = > of > > my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails option. It works > > great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my new kernel, I get a > > kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs. > >=20 > > I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and also tried it = > as > > a module with an initrd image created with the --preload reiserfs option. > > I've also tried converting /boot to ext2 and that doesn't work either. > >=20 > > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening? =20 > > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in the kernel, > not as a module. > > florin > > --=20 > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > > --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > Content-Disposition: inline > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (OpenBSD) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE7+eatNLPgdTuQ3+QRAjoFAJ9dJ/v4aEsyvKTkmsvkv9r7Q3QyAgCgi8oa > AtRiwMIt+fDDEuY704U6rvE= > =p//G > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 02:05:37 -0600 (CST) > From: <andy at theasis.com> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > I have some back issues of Linux Journal that I need to dump, due to space > considerations. These include all of years 1997 through 2000, as well as > April, Sept, Nov, Dec 1996. > > I'm happy to give them away free to the TCLUG. > > First priority is a LUG library, if anyone is interested in creating & > maintaining one. > > Second priority is the first individual to express interest via private > email (NOT the list), > BUT... > > - I'd really like to part with all at once. > - I don't want to bother with anything less than complete years. > - You gotta come get them (at a mutually convenient location). > > Any that are not out of my house by about the first week of December will > be recycled. > > Thanks, > > Andy > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > From: Jack Ungerleider <jack at jacku.com> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 06:38:34 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > On Monday 19 November 2001 22:08, you wrote: > > A little off topic, but has anyone noticed the absence of a development > > branch in the kernel? As a result, it seems more bugs have poped up. > > > > Jay > > > > Check out lwn.net for November 15. Its their lead story. > > > -- > Jack Ungerleider > jack at jacku.com > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > From: "James Spinti" <jspinti at dart.dartdist.com> > To: "Tclug-List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:45:49 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > I have space here at work where I could create a library. Only problem is > that I am in Chaska, a bit outside the beaten path. My own library is a bit > thin, but would be willing to make it accessible as well. I do have the > electronic versions of O'Reilly's Networking and Basic Unix library (DNS & > Bind, TCP/IP, Building Internet Firewalls, Unix & Internet Security and > Sendmail on one, vi, Unix in a Nutshell, sed & awk, Korn shell and Learning > Unix on the other), which I would be willing to make part of the library. > > If someone is willing to do the programming of a web interface and set up > the database, I would be willing to handle the mailing/retrieving of loaned > items. Besides, that way I could peruse more books without having to buy > them :) > > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist.com > 952-368-3278 x396 > fax 952-368-3255 > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of andy at theasis.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:54 AM > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues > > > > I have some back issues of Linux Journal that I need to dump, due to space > considerations. These include all of years 1997 through 2000, as well as > April, Sept, Nov, Dec 1996. > > I'm happy to give them away free to the TCLUG. > > First priority is a LUG library, if anyone is interested in creating & > maintaining one. > > Second priority is the first individual to express interest via private > email (NOT the list), > BUT... > > - I'd really like to part with all at once. > - I don't want to bother with anything less than complete years. > - You gotta come get them (at a mutually convenient location). > > Any that are not out of my house by about the first week of December will > be recycled. > > Thanks, > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:27:07 -0600 > From: Dave Sherohman <esper at sherohman.org> > To: TCLUG <tclug-list at lists.real-time.com> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] dpkg override > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:55:27PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past apt-get upgrade produced > > a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman reinstalled (while > > keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might add), but the CGI scripts > > are gone. As a result, requests for > > http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go unanswered because there > > are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/. > > > > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried > > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb > > Have you tried > > apt-get install --reinstall mailman > > ? > > -- > When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists > have already won. - reverius > > Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > From: "Austad, Jay" <austad at marketwatch.com> > To: "'tclug-list at mn-linux.org'" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:42:36 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in > > the kernel, not as a module. > > This is not true though. That's what the initrd (Initial Ramdisk) is for. > The initrd image is loaded into memory before the kernel, and when the > kernel boots, it loads modules from the initrd image (which is ext2, and yes > I have ext2 built into the kernel). Mandrake makes reiserfs as a module, > and since it's loaded into their initrd image, I'm able to boot fine with > it. > > But for some reason when compiling a new kernel, and making a new initrd > image, I cannot boot. > > Jay > > > > > > > florin > > > > -- > > > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > From: "Austad, Jay" <austad at marketwatch.com> > To: "'tclug-list at mn-linux.org'" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:53:27 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Also, I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel also, not as a > module. And I still have the same problem. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Florin Iucha [mailto:florin at iucha.net] > > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:14 PM > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:14:49PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to > > 2.4.13. > > > All of my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the > > notails option. > > > It works great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my new > > > kernel, I get a kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs. > > > > > > I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and > > also tried > > > it as a module with an initrd image created with the --preload > > > reiserfs option. I've also tried converting /boot to ext2 and that > > > doesn't work either. > > > > > > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening? > > > > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in > > the kernel, not as a module. > > > > florin > > > > -- > > > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > From: Shawn <fertch at mninter.net> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:54:22 -0600 > Subject: [TCLUG] Debian install > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > I'm going to be installing Debian stable (woody?) in the next couple of days > on my firewall/gateway machine. Dual NIC's, Pentium 120, 32MB ram. Is there > anything in particular I need to watch out for? > > I plan on running IPtables on this box instead of IPchains also. No X > windows. > > I've installed Mandrake, Slackware (my typical distro), SuSe and tried one > instance of RedHat 6.x but not a Debian install. Just looking for pointers, > pitfalls to watch out for etc. > > > Thanks, > > > Shawn > > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:10:31 -0600 > From: Jim Crumley <crumley at belka.space.umn.edu> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] dpkg override > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:55:27PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past apt-get upgrade produced > > a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman reinstalled (while > > keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might add), but the CGI scripts > > are gone. As a result, requests for > > http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go unanswered because there > > are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/. > > > > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried > > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb > > > > hoping that the scripts would get reinstalled. No luck. > > > > What's the most elegant way to get this working? I don't want to delete my > > existing lists. > > Did you try 'dpkg -r mailman; dpkg -i mailmanblahblahblah.deb' ? > > Removing with '-r' the package should leave all of your config files > intact, so when you reinstall your lists should be ready to go. > Of course its a good idea to be safe and backup all of the config > files before hand. > > -- > Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) > crumley at fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ > Never laugh at live dragons |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:21:49 -0600 > From: Nate Straz <nate at techie.com> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 11:14:22PM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in the kernel, > > not as a module. > > Not true. You just have to use an initial ramdisk (initrd) to load the > module prior to mounting the root FS. It's the same as if you had your > scsi driver as a module. > > Nate > > --__--__-- > > Message: 14 > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:25:05 -0600 > From: Nate Straz <nate at techie.com> > To: "'tclug-list at mn-linux.org'" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:14:49PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to 2.4.13. All of > > my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails option. It works > > great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my new kernel, I get a > > kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs. > [...] > > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening? > > At any time were you using devfs? > > Just a thought, > > Nate > > --__--__-- > > Message: 15 > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:34:51 -0600 > From: "Simeon Johnston" <simeonuj at nssmgmt.com> > To: "TCLUG (E-mail)" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > I have been wondering about something lately and can't figure it out. > How do I background a process, say a kernel compile, so I don't have to > sit there and watch it i.e. log in - start process - log out - log in > later - find process done and everyones happy. > > How is this done? > > sim > > --__--__-- > > Message: 16 > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:37:28 -0600 (CST) > From: Timothy Wilson <wilson at visi.com> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Cc: TCLUG <tclug-list at lists.real-time.com> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] dpkg override > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:55:27PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > > For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past apt-get upgrade produced > > > a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman reinstalled (while > > > keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might add), but the CGI scripts > > > are gone. As a result, requests for > > > http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go unanswered because there > > > are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/. > > > > > > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried > > > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb > > > > Have you tried > > > > apt-get install --reinstall mailman > > No luck. It still doesn't reinstall the contents of cgi-bin. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson at visi.com | <dtml-var pithy_quote> | http://linux.com > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > End of tclug-list Digest >