I'm just wondering if anyone else has seen this. When I rip files with grip (cdparanoia or cdda2wav) I end up with random length files...when I play the files the music just stops at that point. Sometimes with some clicks after that point. I've had this happen on more than one machine. Maybe I just need a newer better CD drive. Brady PS: There's a writer for Linux Journal who's a security consultant in the Twin Cities. I'm just curious if anyone here knows him. PS: People who use vi also like to reminisce about vacuum tubes.