Folks who roll their own computers seem to gravitate to *nix computers. Perhaps it is the responsiveness to tinkering? The following random thoughts are mostly to share fond memories with other longtime computer/Linux hackers. In the personal roll-your-own wire-wrap category: sc/mp from national, 256 bytes of ram, toggle switch input. TI bit slice components, 74181 and related support components, ran from 1702 boot. An interesting note, the processor inside the Diablo printer! Like almost everybody doing home computers in the 70's; Z80 stuff machines out the who-ha. this critter refreshed its own dram so it was fairly painless to put in 64k memory. Depending on your scrounging abilities, your software distros were paper or mag tape. The 4K tiny basic was the most uasable language on my altair. As for scrounged computers, a fair number of the folks in town belonged to the club organized by Richard Koplow in the basement of the resource access center. They had bunches of donated hardware that they were trying to get running for local non-profit groups. I spent many happy hours playing with some of these boxes - my favorite was the BIT-483. This thing had variable word length - you could have a 1000 byte words controlled directly by hardware. And 2 x 8K Fabritec core stacks! When you keyed in a program it stayed across power downs. Yum! Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Horejsi" <shorejsi at skypoint.com> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IBM history OK, can't resist the urge to swap old computer stories any longer. <snip> My first 'PC' was a wire-wrapped 8080A (2MHz!) based machine of my own design. (I still have it in a box in the basement.) It had a whopping 4K of RAM (the premium 650ns stuff) and unlike the Altair/IMSAI kits of the day, it had seven-segment LEDs and a Hex keypad for I/O rather than the usual discrete LEDs and bit switches. I know it sounds weird but I don't recall ever running out of memory; keying in code in hex made you appreciate efficient design I guess... <snip>