An interesting thought on OS usability: Distro's will be most easily used for what their developers use them for. 1. Solaris developers probably don't have to admin their own workstations. So general ease of administration is not high on their list. 2. Redhat developers are probably encouraged to keep their workstations as close as possible to the last/next release. Resulting in easy installs and less easy updates. 3. Debian developers got upgrading right a while ago, so they aren't as concerned with getting the installer improved. That said, has anyone here seen work on a source-based apt front end for Debian? -- Daniel Taylor dante at plethora.net