http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/2002/03/11/gilligan.htm#more I especially like to quote: "This is what our customers expect and demand," says Steve Lipner, Microsoft's director of security assurance. "Message received. We're working night and day on security." Nice to know that all you have to do is: 1. Be the Air Force. 2. Just ask politely to tighten security, or you will loose $. Kelly Black KB0GBJ