On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > "Linux is fragmented" "RedHat breaks their kernels" "RedHat broke the NTFS > module in 2.4.9" etc, there are the sort of things that a vague comment like > that starts, "RedHat didn't bother to backport the ntfs module updates from > the newer kernels because they don't support the NTFS module" would have been > less confusing, less biased, and much more informative =) Great. Now your "more technically enlightened than thou" attitude is spreading to the mailing list. Sorry I can't live up to your standards. > As for the 2.4.9 kernel, yes, you're 9 kernels behind the current redhat > kernel (2.4.18). stop whining and upgrade =) You've yet to present an objective reason to upgrade. I find having a 7.2 RPM build host more useful, thanks. > > Getting apt-get working, then running "apt-get dist-upgrade" wouldn't > > have been faster. (I don't use apt-get; updating the server farm from a > > local NFS server is more time- and bandwidth-efficient, and kinder to > > mirrors.) Installing a minimal (~150mb) Mandrake install went very > > quickly. And besides, this relies upon the (false) assumption that I > > wanted 7.3 on that machine. > > rpm -Uh http://apt.freshrpms.net/redhat/7.3/en/i386/RPMS.freshrpms/apt-0.3.19cnc55-fr8.i386.rpm > apt-get update > apt-get dist-upgrade > > done. If that would take less than 15 minutes (slow CD-ROM on the install), sure. If not, it's just wasting time. But that still assumes that I'd want 7.3 on that machine. How hard is this for you to understand? > > Once again, another "latest is greatest" debate. Joy. > > Why don't we throw in a editor/MTA/MUA/distro war in, while we're at it? > > RedHat isn't providing the latest, (latest kernel release is 2.4.19), but > when they release updates, you should consider actually upgrading, if you > don't, you have no right to bitch, whine, complain or anything else, > Much like running development kernels, or debian unstable. I was referring to your insistance on running the latest release. If I wanted bleeding-edge, I'd run RawHide, Debian Unstable, or Mandrake Cooker. I don't. I want stable, reliable servers. So I stick with stable releases. I prefer to thoroughly test a release before putting it on a mission-critical machine. Why? Downtime isn't an option. My co-workers and clients need these servers to run. I don't have the luxury of time and resources to break and unbreak servers. When have I bitched about RedHat? When have I whined? When have I complained? I don't think you want to start flinging mud around. All I did was voice a (poorly worded) warning meant to save people time, frustration, and confusion. I'll remember to keep my mouth shut in the future, lest I anger people. This has the feel of a fight picked merely for the fun in fighting. Big surprise. Jima