I know that kde applications run in non kde envionments just fine, but I cant find a way to call the logout features from outside kde. What I want, is to have other window managers have the ability to use the kde features, such as tell kdm to shut down, or start a new session. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list