How can we better market you. Vote with your browser by avoiding sites you don't like. Simple enough. On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:29 PM, <tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org> wrote: > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Mike Miller) > 2. Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Robert Nesius) > 3. Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Ryan Coleman) > 4. Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Mr. MailingLists) > 5. Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Chuck Cole) > 6. Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Andy Schmid) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:16:08 -0600 (CST) > From: Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com <mbmiller%2Bl at gmail.com>> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn > To: TCLUG List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1001141208420.4343 at taxa.psych.umn.edu> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On Thu, 14 Jan 2010, Mr. MailingLists wrote: > > > I have a rather strong aversion towards all social networking sites. I > > feel that it is a security risk I would rather not ever have to deal > > with. > > > Dear Mr. Mailinglists: > > By using your true name you have made it possible for some crazed killer > to see you on TCLUG and hunt you down and kill you. You can never be too > cautious in this world, which is why I have a massive stockpile of > extremely dangerous loaded weapons adorning the walls of my home. I > suggest that you get a fake name and a lot of guns if you want to be > secure. > > Mike > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:20:02 -0600 > From: Robert Nesius <nesius at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn > To: Andy Schmid <andyschmid at gmail.com> > Cc: tclug-list <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Message-ID: > <cac10ddc1001141020l590a9bd0i284787a3ca08587c at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > While the criticisms lobbied at LinkedIn have some merit, I don't think > they > qualify as condemnations leading to a conclusion of zero-value-proposition. > I use it, first and foremost, to stay linked to past colleagues and > coworkers, and to that end it has been very effective. > > Other people have different agendas for using (abusing?) the system, that's > certainly true. So your mileage may vary - for me it's been just fine. > > -Rob > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Andy Schmid <andyschmid at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > It may suck, but if it can help me find a job when I'm out of work ... it > > is at minimum in the 'useful' category. > > > > -Andy > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Justin Kremer <justin.kremer at gmail.com > >wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Joel Dick <joel_cd at yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > Dare I ask why people don't like Linkedin? Just wondering, as a few > >> people have recommended that I sign up there, that it's good for job > >> networking. > >> > >> It claims to give you a "network of trust" or some other word for > >> trustworthy businesspeople you know, but it is mostly just a > >> popularity contest like Facebook for business people who are too good > >> for Facebook. People add contacts that they've never met in person > >> regularly, defeating any semblance of this network of trust that > >> Linkedin is supposed to provide. > >> And when you sign up, it asks you for your e-mail password so that it > >> can try to spam everyone in your contacts, which would be how that > >> e-mail got sent to this mailing list. > >> I know for a fact that I have a whole lot of people in my e-mail > >> contact list who I would not consider to be someone I trust, not > >> necessarily because the person is not trustworthy, but because I don't > >> know them well enough to vouch for them. > >> - Justin > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100114/2eb5269c/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:31:03 -0600 > From: Ryan Coleman <ryanjcole at me.com> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: <1F0721A6-6731-4B17-9CF7-950C3657AF2F at me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I second Rob's statement. > > I have Facebook for me. I keep LinkedIn for people here, out there and to > maintain the connection to family members that are in the same or similar > industries as mine. And there's no one on there that I don't know or haven't > met with the minor exception of the occasional TCPHP member that I've been > "connected" to for a number of years through there. > > -- > Ryan > > > On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:20 PM, Robert Nesius wrote: > > > While the criticisms lobbied at LinkedIn have some merit, I don't think > they qualify as condemnations leading to a conclusion of > zero-value-proposition. I use it, first and foremost, to stay linked to > past colleagues and coworkers, and to that end it has been very effective. > > > > Other people have different agendas for using (abusing?) the system, > that's certainly true. So your mileage may vary - for me it's been just > fine. > > > > -Rob > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:54:18 -0600 > From: "Mr. MailingLists" <mailinglists at soul-dev.com> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: <4B4F685A.407 at soul-dev.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 1/14/2010 12:16 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Jan 2010, Mr. MailingLists wrote: > > > >> I have a rather strong aversion towards all social networking sites. I > >> feel that it is a security risk I would rather not ever have to deal > >> with. > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mailinglists: > > > > By using your true name you have made it possible for some crazed killer > > to see you on TCLUG and hunt you down and kill you. You can never be too > > cautious in this world, which is why I have a massive stockpile of > > extremely dangerous loaded weapons adorning the walls of my home. I > > suggest that you get a fake name and a lot of guns if you want to be > > secure. > > > > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > That only would secure me physically whilst I was home. Whats stopping > someone from killing me if I left the house? Walking the dog? At work? > There are trade offs and insecurity in life, I do accept that. > > The internet can be a scary place, in fact it is. I like to control what > information about me is on the internet/someone else's system, where it > could be compromised. Information stored on such social networking sites > can be of a personal nature (as far as linkedin resumes, contacts, > etc..) and I sure don't want Jonnie China to somehow through a > compromised account, or XSS, or password brute, or, or, or.... > > I'm sure it would be rather funny to have your potential employer come > across your compimised linkedin account and see "LOLDONGS" posted all > over it. > > Granted the likeliness is extremely small, but there is a chance. Same > goes for Facebook (privacy settings may change at any given time >> EULA). > > I still love me some good internet/Linux, I just choose to avoid social > networking, security is a bit of a passion of mine. > > BTW, anyone sec folks going to DEFCON 18 this year? > > > -- > () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail > /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:04:49 -0600 > From: "Chuck Cole" <cncole at earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn > To: "Andy Schmid" <andyschmid at gmail.com>, "Justin Kremer" > <justin.kremer at gmail.com> > Cc: tclug-list <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Message-ID: <KBELLBDJKGDCAHIDFNLLAEFIDAAA.cncole at earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Better to use a real job-seeking function like Indeed.com that won't spam > everybody and invite makware attacks on your system. My > ISP frequently stops bad trojans and malware from the social cesspools > (Linkedin, Facebook, Twitter) and notifies me of their > attempt. This dominant aspect of Linkedin (et al) is NOT "useful" to me! > > Indeed is like Google for jobs. Nothing else is as good or better. > Finding a job listing it doesn't have is difficult. Their > search feature is better than others, and one syntax searches all listing, > allowing interesting ones to be saved for follow-up. > > Linkedin is not first and foremost a job seeking function. When a Linkedin > job is listed on Indeed, one can go to the company site > and not use Linkedin at all. > > Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto: > tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Andy Schmid > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:56 AM > To: Justin Kremer > Cc: tclug-list > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn > > > It may suck, but if it can help me find a job when I'm out of work ... it > is at minimum in the 'useful' category. > > -Andy > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Justin Kremer <justin.kremer at gmail.com> > wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Joel Dick <joel_cd at yahoo.com> wrote: > > Dare I ask why people don't like Linkedin? Just wondering, as a few > people have recommended that I sign up there, that it's > good for job networking. > > > It claims to give you a "network of trust" or some other word for > trustworthy businesspeople you know, but it is mostly just a > popularity contest like Facebook for business people who are too good > for Facebook. People add contacts that they've never met in person > regularly, defeating any semblance of this network of trust that > Linkedin is supposed to provide. > And when you sign up, it asks you for your e-mail password so that it > can try to spam everyone in your contacts, which would be how that > e-mail got sent to this mailing list. > I know for a fact that I have a whole lot of people in my e-mail > contact list who I would not consider to be someone I trust, not > necessarily because the person is not trustworthy, but because I don't > know them well enough to vouch for them. > - Justin > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100114/b0d870f3/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:27:31 -0600 > From: Andy Schmid <andyschmid at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn > To: Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> > Cc: tclug-list <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Message-ID: > <7b7c42a31001141127g6f11a1efo51fc05775d03d4a0 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I've never heard of Indeed, thanks for the tip. I have not had the same > poor experience with linkedin. I have been contacted by recruiters from > some pretty big companies who found me via linkedin through my listed > experience and contacts. It may not work for everyone, but it has worked > for me. > > I hardly ever get spam from linkedin (aside from job inquiries, which is > the > whole point of it IMO), and linkedin will not spam your friends unless you > tell it to. I also have not run into any trojans or viruses from the site. > > I don't see much difference from putting up your resume on a website like > monster.com, and putting it up on linkedin. To say LinkedIn is not a job > seeking utility is a bit off the radar. > > -Andy > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote: > > > Better to use a real job-seeking function like Indeed.com that won't > spam > > everybody and invite makware attacks on your system. My ISP frequently > > stops bad trojans and malware from the social cesspools (Linkedin, > Facebook, > > Twitter) and notifies me of their attempt. This dominant aspect of > Linkedin > > (et al) is NOT "useful" to me! > > > > Indeed is like Google for jobs. Nothing else is as good or better. > > Finding a job listing it doesn't have is difficult. Their search feature > is > > better than others, and one syntax searches all listing, allowing > > interesting ones to be saved for follow-up. > > > > Linkedin is not first and foremost a job seeking function. When a > Linkedin > > job is listed on Indeed, one can go to the company site and not use > Linkedin > > at all. > > > > Chuck > > > > -----Original Message----- > > *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto: > > tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]*On Behalf Of *Andy Schmid > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:56 AM > > *To:* Justin Kremer > > *Cc:* tclug-list > > *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn > > > > It may suck, but if it can help me find a job when I'm out of work ... it > > is at minimum in the 'useful' category. > > > > -Andy > > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Justin Kremer <justin.kremer at gmail.com > >wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Joel Dick <joel_cd at yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > Dare I ask why people don't like Linkedin? Just wondering, as a few > >> people have recommended that I sign up there, that it's good for job > >> networking. > >> > >> It claims to give you a "network of trust" or some other word for > >> trustworthy businesspeople you know, but it is mostly just a > >> popularity contest like Facebook for business people who are too good > >> for Facebook. People add contacts that they've never met in person > >> regularly, defeating any semblance of this network of trust that > >> Linkedin is supposed to provide. > >> And when you sign up, it asks you for your e-mail password so that it > >> can try to spam everyone in your contacts, which would be how that > >> e-mail got sent to this mailing list. > >> I know for a fact that I have a whole lot of people in my e-mail > >> contact list who I would not consider to be someone I trust, not > >> necessarily because the person is not trustworthy, but because I don't > >> know them well enough to vouch for them. > >> - Justin > >> > >> > >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100114/2cbc5530/attachment.htm > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 61, Issue 13 > ****************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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