Excuse me if this was already mentioned, but I deleted a bunch of messages from this thread earlier. Is there some way to find out if Qwest has VDSL in Eagan yet? -Adam On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 02:02:09PM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Precisely. I'm not willing to pay for a service that isn't up to snuff because of their hardware needing an upgrade. > > Qwest's installation technician and customer support we're more than cooperative with this tech's findings. > > On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > Ahhh, got'cha - so that points to the issue being with Qwest.net getting > > your traffic out of the area at a reasonable speed (if you get good speeds > > from that link, assuming it's actually doing a speedtest and not just > > looking at your account, it means that the chokepoint is behond that > > point..) > > > > On Mon, 19 Jul 2010, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >> I ran this one: http://minneapolis.speedtest.qwest.net/ > >> > >> Which was what the technician ran that gave me the 16Mbps speed. As you > >> can see in the data block there is only one other test provider that got > >> that high: auditmypc.com. > >> > >> Comcast speeds > >> Site Down Up > >> Speedtest 22.01 2.66 > >> Speakeasy 5.10 2.62 > >> bandwidthpalce 12.23 2.35 > >> auditmypc 20.87 3.51 > >> internetfrog 5.09 1.53 > >> DSLreports 22.15 2.55 > >> toast.net 4.56 NA > >> visualware.com 9.37 2.58 > >> testinternetspeed 1.71 2.02 > >> whatsmyip.com 20.67 2.46 > >> AVG 12.38 2.48 > >> Qwest SpeedTest > >> 24.89 2.505 > >> Diff -12.61 -0.25 > >> -50.6% -0.99% speed loss. > >> > >> Qwest speeds > >> Site Down Up > >> Speedtest 2.59 0.72 > >> Speakeasy 4.17 0.73 > >> bandwidthpalce 2.67 0.70 > >> auditmypc 18.26 0.76 > >> internetfrog 0.80 0.60 > >> DSLreports 2.88 0.69 > >> toast.net 0.75 NA > >> visualware.com 2.09 0.72 > >> testinternetspeed 1.88 0.70 > >> whatsmyip.com 6.62 0.71 > >> AVG 4.27 0.70 > >> Qwest SpeedTest > >> 16.64 0.78 > >> Diff -12.37 -0.08 > >> -74.3% -10.3% speed loss. > >> > >> I hope this is more legible for you guys... I know the Comcast does "speed boost" bursting which can account for some of the fluctuation, but the DSL should be a steady, consistent speed. > >> > >> There was nothing else plugged into the DSL or Phone system except for the modem itself. It's not a perfect experiment - that would be a reboot of each system and waiting 30 minutes between tests, something that with 10 downloads to test would have taken days to complete. > >> > >> -- > >> Ryan > >> > >> P.S. Nate - I know about overhead, even giving them 30-35% just to be nice; I've been a network technician for years in Windows, Mac and various flavors of *nix for the last ten years, and I was an early adopter of DSL in 1999. This is more a showing people my experiences with their "FIOS" connection which is a false advertising lead, IMHO, and fails to inform the consumer that the upload speeds are NOT proportional to the download speed. > >> > >> P.P.S. I ran the internet connection at my "office" aka cafe I like and they get 38.23 Mbit down and 7 Mbit up. Consistently. > >> > >> > >> On Jul 19, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Nate Carlson wrote: > >> > >>> which speedtest engine is faulty? > >>> > >>> The rates that the providers quote for speeds (for ADSL at least) are the > >>> maximum rates that your line can sync up at. You may be sync'ing at that > >>> speed, or at lower speeds (your DSL modem/router should be able to show > >>> those stats.) Because of overheads, you will never get the exact speed > >>> they advertise - it will be slightly lower.. if you read the fine print it > >>> generally states that the speeds are maximum, not guaranteed, etc. > >>> > >>> I do agree that it looks like you are getting horrible speeds with Qwest - > >>> it could be a number of factors (ie, poor line conditions on your end, a > >>> dslam without enough backhaul connectivity, oversold connectivty at > >>> Qwest.net, etc); you could try a different ISP if you want to keep DSL > >>> (since you are on an ADSL tier you can pick your ISP), which would > >>> eliminate Qwest.net from the picture.. but from my view if you are happy > >>> with cable then keep it! :) > >>> > >>> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >>>> All of this is BEYOND my point: Their speedtest engine is faulty. It > >>>> claims speeds that it is *not* producing. > >>>> > >>>> I checked my cable line and the DSL line against a number of other test > >>>> providers, here are the results: > >>>> > >>>> Speedtest Speakeasy bandwidthplace auditmypc.com internetfrog DSLreports toast.net visualware.com testinternetspeed whatsmyip.com > >>>> > >>>> Down Up Down Up Down Up Down Up Down Up Down Up Down Up Down Up Down Up Down Up > >>>> Qwest 2.59 0.72 4.17 0.73 2.67 0.70 18.26 0.76 0.80 0.60 2.88 0.69 0.75 > >>>> 2.09 0.72 1.88 0.70 6.62 0.71 > >>>> Comcast 22.01 2.66 5.10 2.62 12.23 2.35 20.87 3.51 5.09 1.53 22.15 2.55 4.56 > >>>> 9.37 2.58 1.71 2.02 20.67 2.46 > >>>> > >>>> All speeds are reported in Megabits (Mbps), some are calculated from Kilobits per second. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Ryan > >>>> > >>>> On Jul 17, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Nate Carlson wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Just a bit of clarification - 20mb/896kbps is *not* FIOS - Qwest > >>>>> advertises this as "Fiber optic fast", but what it really means is that > >>>>> they run fiber to the DSLAM that serves your line. 20mbit/896kbit is > >>>>> ADSL2+. > >>>>> > >>>>> Qwest does offer VDSL in certain parts of the metro, which is available at > >>>>> speeds of 40mbit/20mbit, 40mbit/5mbit, and also adds a 5mbit upstream > >>>>> option to 20mbit, 12mbit, and 7mbit tiers. If you got 896k upstream, > >>>>> however, you are ADSL2+, not VDSL. > >>>>> > >>>>> As far as I know Qwest does not have any plans to roll out a real > >>>>> fiber-to-the-home option - it's all fiber to the 'neighborhood' with > >>>>> various technologies running over copper to deliver the service. > >>>>> > >>>>> (Of course, Qwest does offer fiber services to businesses, but it's quite > >>>>> a bit more money than we're talking for DSL.. *grin*) > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, 16 Jul 2010, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >>>>>> 20Mbit. Which comes with an unreported upload cap of 896Kbps. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> But I'm probably calling them on Monday to tell them to pick everything up and take it back; Ran my own speed test through speedtest.net and the reported download speed was 3.2-4.5 Mbps. Same website on my cable modem reported 25+ Mbps on download. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Ryan > >>>>>> On Jul 16, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Donovan wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryanjcole at me.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> I'll probably only end up cutting one of the two cable internet lines into my apartment... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 16Mbit download -- pretty nice > >>>>>>>> 600Kbit upload -- not so nice > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Ran a speed test on our "public" cable line at home and got 30Mbit down and 3Mbit up. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Setting up a static IP on the Qwest website appears to be nearly impossible, that's a shock. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> Ryan > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Which package did you get? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Donovan Niesen > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list