John McCarthy created LISP six years before Graham was born. Graham is/was a lisp enthusiast/programmer. Maybe "cracker" should be used instead of "hacker" (at least in the good sense of the word hacker.) Ed James wrote: > Paul Graham has a Ph. D. in Applied Science specializing in computer > science. Joel Spolsky has a BS in computer science. Paul created LISP > and Joel has worked with Microsoft on its Visual Basic and Excel > products. I would hardly consider these endeavors as hacking projects. > > Creating a programming language isn't a new process anymore the step > are fairly documented. As for working at Microsoft, well yes in the > early years Bill Gates was a hacker with his efforts to get BASIC to > work on the Altair computer but at this time I would find it difficult > to believe that existing product lines lend themselves to hacking out > a way to get a few more bytes of memory. > > As to what they've accomplished I wouldn't take it with a grain of > salt but research what they did and how they did it. > > I've worked and currently work at places that have a hacker mentality > employee's, when those employee's leave it takes years to find, > fix/replace and document all the things they "worked" on. The cost to > the company tends to be in the 10's to 100's of thousands of dollars. > >>From researched the words hacker centric I would a-line it with > cowboy, the lone employee. Most companies need team oriented > employee's not employee's running of on there own personal objectives. > > The hacker centric person starts there company but it doesn't stay > that way this would be called an entrepreneur or visionary a more > worthy title than hacker. Again, look at what Paul and Joel did they > started products and or companies. > > > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> wrote: >> Thanks for your thoughts. Now I wonder what else from Paul Graham and Joel Spolsky I should take with a shaker of salt. >> -- >> Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >