Just a reminder: the FCC is set to hold an auction in 2015, which presumably could open up more unlicensed frequencies, thus boosting WiFi innovation. Hopefully, this will be an opportunity to allow the public to tackle the State control of the airwaves we, the public, own. Minnesota has infrastructure between rest stops along its' highways, fiber throughout much of its' university system, all neatly tucked away from public use. It wouldn't be nearly as expensive as the numbers Ryan is contributing to the discussion to effectively create community based wifi networks which are robust and managed by the residents of each community. Am I whistling at windmills? Tom On 12/26/2014 06:34 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> On Dec 26, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com >> <mailto:jus at krytosvirus.com>> wrote: >> >> Ryan, >> Where are you getting your odds from? And what do you mean by "outer >> areas" exactly? Outside of the 494/694 loop? >> > > In order to have this happen there are MANY working parts to consider: > > 1) USI needs to have trunk capabilities. And right of way. Major roads > are out of the question — Take a look at the coverage maps and see > that Lyndale is not the main run through South Minneapolis which means > I can never get fiber from them > > 2) To keep the cost low USI needs to own the fiber. In the suburbs > your best options today (and for many years to come) are owned by > CenturyLink. I can get USI fiber in the burbs with a CL primary for > about 10x the price of USI in Minneapolis. > > 3) The cost to bury fiber is about $100/foot if you cannot directly > bury the conduit. If you can dig and cover it’s about $10/foot (our > termination point was about 1,800 feet from the building). > > The benefits and profits do not outweigh the costs for the production. > So either USI leases cable from CenturyLink or Level3 - and that cost > will be passed on to the customers. In the city USI has already seen a > positive return and is likely going to turn a profit on the trenching > in the next 5-10 years, but going from a hub to, say, Burnsville? My > commute to Burnsville is 12 miles each day… If they have to use a > DitchWitch™ the whole way that could easily cost more than $5,000,000. > Can they turn that + the branch routes out of Burnsville in 10 years? > Maybe, but that’s really a tall order. Not to mention the capital cost > of the hardware - these switches at the distribution point are very > expensive. > > There’s a reason the Minneapolis WiFi project took off and succeed as > quickly as it did: the general cost to product a pole node and > connection back to the hub was about $4500 each. A little more or less > depending on the link type (copper, fiber or radio) and then have a > radio technician come back after the hardware is installed and lit up > (powered) to tweak any settings if needed. > > — > Ryan > > >> On 25.12.2014 14:02, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> >>> That’s 10GBE; We’ve had 1GBE in the city for almost 5 years now. >>> Odds are the outer areas won’t get serviced simply due to cost - my >>> last job had a quote for $20,000 to get 1GBE service to our office >>> in Cottage Grove - and we had the school district literally across >>> the highway. >>> — >>> Ryan >>> >>>> On Dec 25, 2014, at 1:39 PM, Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com >>>> <mailto:sdalano at gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I am surprised this hasn't been mentioned on the list: >>>> >>>> http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_27194397/u-s-internet-rolls-out-faster-service-minneapolis >>>> A while back I heard the story on MPR how Google fiber attracts >>>> entrepreneurs springing up shops like the kcstartupvillage in KC. >>>> >>>> http://www.kcstartupvillage.org/ >>>> >>>> TBH, I am quite tired of Comcast and hoping the City of >>>> Burnsville/Dakota County will get their act together and join the >>>> 21st century. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org> >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org> >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20141226/0f1da45a/attachment-0001.html>