A short article on this topic: http://www.sciencealert.com/a-us-suburb-just-got-the-fastest-internet-connection-in-the-world On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote: > Obviously no guarantees but it is likely 2016 will bring USI fiber to > Linden Hills, not probable for 2015. > > We plan to have 2015 coverage maps updated and posted in a week or two > most likely. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Ryan Coleman > Date:12/29/2014 4:24 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Gigabit Internet in MPLS > > Good information to know, thank you. > > When will Linden Hills be buried and lit, then? My brothers and I are > going to pay for the connection when it goes down my parents’ street and > I’m going to relocate my servers to their house, pay for the service and > give them access when the time comes. > > — > Ryan > > > On Dec 27, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote: > > Well your assumptions have some faults in this case, eg no additional data > centers are needed. It is quite easy to string central offices together, > creating loops or daisy chains; USI is mostly looking to saturate the area > with new fiber. Switching gear is also not terribly expensive. I manage the > USI central office fttx gear for USI so I have a pretty clear understanding > of this particular case. Since it is all active ethernet it is one strand > of fiber per premises all the way back to the CO. There are no lease > options available in the configurations we need; every fiber we order is > custom built to our need. This minimizes waste. Greater than 99% of the > fiber is all underground which is more expensive but also less likely to > become damaged or affected by life going on above ground: vehicles, tree > growth, tree cutting, vandalism, etc. > > The fiber is mostly being built out more in Minneapolis right now but > plans are rolling to quickly accelerate deployment and expansion. We are > already looking into other cities in the area. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Ryan Coleman > Date:12/27/2014 12:20 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Gigabit Internet in MPLS > > The cost is from 3 years of experience pricing up fiber - I’ve worked for > low voltage installers since 2011. > > The point is there’s a massive cost to building those central office > switchers, both in materials and upkeep. If they have to lease existing > fiber that will be cheaper initially than owning your own lines but the ROI > would be well over 5-10 years, unless you have a lot of immediate signers. > > I don’t have a map handy for fiber optic paths but there isn’t a lot > available going south at the moment. There are no major data centers (that > I’m aware of) south of Bloomington (and the river) except for in Saint Paul > but that’s an easy jump to make. So… consider that a proper switching model > for MANs would require a datacenter or two, plus central offices, you can > easily see the cost for building them eclipsing $1MM. > > The most likely expansions will occur in Minnetonka where USI has a trunk > line already, and hopefully soon further into NE Minneapolis outside of the > Marcy area (they already have a number of condo and apartment buildings lit > today but not enough to make a big impact). > > On Dec 27, 2014, at 10:39 AM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote: > > Ryan, can you share where you are getting all of your cost numbers and > number of years estimates from? Some of your figures are way off. > > Getting into the suburbs will not be too hard. USI uses the central office > model so the last mile fibers don't go very far. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Ryan Coleman > Date:12/26/2014 6:34 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Gigabit Internet in MPLS > > On Dec 26, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote: > > Ryan, > Where are you getting your odds from? And what do you mean by "outer > areas" exactly? Outside of the 494/694 loop? > > > In order to have this happen there are MANY working parts to consider: > > 1) USI needs to have trunk capabilities. And right of way. Major roads are > out of the question — Take a look at the coverage maps and see that Lyndale > is not the main run through South Minneapolis which means I can never get > fiber from them > > 2) To keep the cost low USI needs to own the fiber. In the suburbs your > best options today (and for many years to come) are owned by CenturyLink. I > can get USI fiber in the burbs with a CL primary for about 10x the price of > USI in Minneapolis. > > 3) The cost to bury fiber is about $100/foot if you cannot directly bury > the conduit. If you can dig and cover it’s about $10/foot (our termination > point was about 1,800 feet from the building). > > The benefits and profits do not outweigh the costs for the production. So > either USI leases cable from CenturyLink or Level3 - and that cost will be > passed on to the customers. In the city USI has already seen a positive > return and is likely going to turn a profit on the trenching in the next > 5-10 years, but going from a hub to, say, Burnsville? My commute to > Burnsville is 12 miles each day… If they have to use a DitchWitch™ the > whole way that could easily cost more than $5,000,000. Can they turn that + > the branch routes out of Burnsville in 10 years? Maybe, but that’s really a > tall order. Not to mention the capital cost of the hardware - these > switches at the distribution point are very expensive. > > There’s a reason the Minneapolis WiFi project took off and succeed as > quickly as it did: the general cost to product a pole node and connection > back to the hub was about $4500 each. A little more or less depending on > the link type (copper, fiber or radio) and then have a radio technician > come back after the hardware is installed and lit up (powered) to tweak any > settings if needed. > > — > Ryan > > > On 25.12.2014 14:02, Ryan Coleman wrote: > > That’s 10GBE; We’ve had 1GBE in the city for almost 5 years now. > > Odds are the outer areas won’t get serviced simply due to cost - my last > job had a quote for $20,000 to get 1GBE service to our office in Cottage > Grove - and we had the school district literally across the highway. > > > — > Ryan > > On Dec 25, 2014, at 1:39 PM, Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com> wrote: > > I am surprised this hasn't been mentioned on the list: > > > http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_27194397/u-s-internet-rolls-out-faster-service-minneapolis > > A while back I heard the story on MPR how Google fiber attracts > entrepreneurs springing up shops like the kcstartupvillage in KC. > > http://www.kcstartupvillage.org/ > > TBH, I am quite tired of Comcast and hoping the City of Burnsville/Dakota > County will get their act together and join the 21st century. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesotatclug-list at mn-linux.orghttp://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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