A short article on this topic:
http://www.sciencealert.com/a-us-suburb-just-got-the-fastest-internet-connection-in-the-world


On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:

> Obviously no guarantees but it is likely 2016 will bring USI fiber to
> Linden Hills, not probable for 2015.
>
> We plan to have 2015 coverage maps updated and posted in a week or two
> most likely.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Ryan Coleman
> Date:12/29/2014 4:24 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: TCLUG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Gigabit Internet in MPLS
>
> Good information to know, thank you.
>
> When will Linden Hills be buried and lit, then? My brothers and I are
> going to pay for the connection when it goes down my parents’ street and
> I’m going to relocate my servers to their house, pay for the service and
> give them access when the time comes.
>
>> Ryan
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
>
> Well your assumptions have some faults in this case, eg no additional data
> centers are needed. It is quite easy to string central offices together,
> creating loops or daisy chains; USI is mostly looking to saturate the area
> with new fiber. Switching gear is also not terribly expensive. I manage the
> USI central office fttx gear for USI so I have a pretty clear understanding
> of this particular case. Since it is all active ethernet it is one strand
> of fiber per premises all the way back to the CO. There are no lease
> options available in the configurations we need; every fiber we order is
> custom built to our need. This minimizes waste. Greater than 99% of the
> fiber is all underground which is more expensive but also less likely to
> become damaged or affected by life going on above ground: vehicles, tree
> growth, tree cutting, vandalism, etc.
>
> The fiber is mostly being built out more in Minneapolis right now but
> plans are rolling to quickly accelerate deployment and expansion. We are
> already looking into other cities in the area.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Ryan Coleman
> Date:12/27/2014 12:20 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: TCLUG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Gigabit Internet in MPLS
>
> The cost is from 3 years of experience pricing up fiber - I’ve worked for
> low voltage installers since 2011.
>
> The point is there’s a massive cost to building those central office
> switchers, both in materials and upkeep. If they have to lease existing
> fiber that will be cheaper initially than owning your own lines but the ROI
> would be well over 5-10 years, unless you have a lot of immediate signers.
>
> I don’t have a map handy for fiber optic paths but there isn’t a lot
> available going south at the moment. There are no major data centers (that
> I’m aware of) south of Bloomington (and the river) except for in Saint Paul
> but that’s an easy jump to make. So… consider that a proper switching model
> for MANs would require a datacenter or two, plus central offices, you can
> easily see the cost for building them eclipsing $1MM.
>
> The most likely expansions will occur in Minnetonka where USI has a trunk
> line already, and hopefully soon further into NE Minneapolis outside of the
> Marcy area (they already have a number of condo and apartment buildings lit
> today but not enough to make a big impact).
>
> On Dec 27, 2014, at 10:39 AM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
>
> Ryan, can you share where you are getting all of your cost numbers and
> number of years estimates from? Some of your figures are way off.
>
> Getting into the suburbs will not be too hard. USI uses the central office
> model so the last mile fibers don't go very far.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Ryan Coleman
> Date:12/26/2014 6:34 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: TCLUG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Gigabit Internet in MPLS
>
> On Dec 26, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
>
> Ryan,
> Where are you getting your odds from? And what do you mean by "outer
> areas" exactly? Outside of the 494/694 loop?
>
>
> In order to have this happen there are MANY working parts to consider:
>
> 1) USI needs to have trunk capabilities. And right of way. Major roads are
> out of the question — Take a look at the coverage maps and see that Lyndale
> is not the main run through South Minneapolis which means I can never get
> fiber from them
>
> 2) To keep the cost low USI needs to own the fiber. In the suburbs your
> best options today (and for many years to come) are owned by CenturyLink. I
> can get USI fiber in the burbs with a CL primary for about 10x the price of
> USI in Minneapolis.
>
> 3) The cost to bury fiber is about $100/foot if you cannot directly bury
> the conduit. If you can dig and cover it’s about $10/foot (our termination
> point was about 1,800 feet from the building).
>
> The benefits and profits do not outweigh the costs for the production. So
> either USI leases cable from CenturyLink or Level3 - and that cost will be
> passed on to the customers. In the city USI has already seen a positive
> return and is likely going to turn a profit on the trenching in the next
> 5-10 years, but going from a hub to, say, Burnsville? My commute to
> Burnsville is 12 miles each day… If they have to use a DitchWitch™ the
> whole way that could easily cost more than $5,000,000. Can they turn that +
> the branch routes out of Burnsville in 10 years? Maybe, but that’s really a
> tall order. Not to mention the capital cost of the hardware - these
> switches at the distribution point are very expensive.
>
> There’s a reason the Minneapolis WiFi project took off and succeed as
> quickly as it did: the general cost to product a pole node and connection
> back to the hub was about $4500 each. A little more or less depending on
> the link type (copper, fiber or radio) and then have a radio technician
> come back after the hardware is installed and lit up (powered) to tweak any
> settings if needed.
>
>> Ryan
>
>
> On 25.12.2014 14:02, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>
> That’s 10GBE; We’ve had 1GBE in the city for almost 5 years now.
>
> Odds are the outer areas won’t get serviced simply due to cost - my last
> job had a quote for $20,000 to get 1GBE service to our office in Cottage
> Grove - and we had the school district literally across the highway.
>
>
>> Ryan
>
> On Dec 25, 2014, at 1:39 PM, Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am surprised this hasn't been mentioned on the list:
>
>
> http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_27194397/u-s-internet-rolls-out-faster-service-minneapolis
>
> A while back I heard the story on MPR how Google fiber attracts
> entrepreneurs springing up shops like the kcstartupvillage in KC.
>
> http://www.kcstartupvillage.org/
>
> TBH, I am quite tired of Comcast and hoping the City of Burnsville/Dakota
> County will get their act together and join the 21st century.
>
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