one of the training videos i have, but this is in relation to linda's arduino comment: UDEMY MASTER ARDUINO WITHOUT CODING TUTORIAL On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Sandwhich Eyes <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com> wrote: > i have spent many hours reading as much as i can handle from the ideas in > these responses. i am barely beyond the last point that i has mentioned the > wireless mesh stuff. i am in research heaven. my overactive brain is just > loving all the angles that you are offering me to consider! we, 4 kids > under 8 and me, have a raspberry pi 2 and arduino uno. a small arsenal of > parts i am accumulating. they get direction in the form of: consider what > this really is, wood, metal, and plastic make up parts, but what makes it > do what it is supposed to do and why does it only do that? could it do > something else. can you put it inside of a different enclosure and have it > do the same thing, something different? I give them power tools and scrap > wood (someday when i have more tools i will offer them other materials). > that gets their brains moving and ideas come forth (got the idea from a TED > Talk). my 2 year old counts the sockets and nails etc... she can count to > 26. was 2 in jan. providing opportunities (much like Linux provides > unlimited options) and directions for them to look, never what they > "should" see. > I have so much to tell you all, but i need to spend more time reading > through this 1 email at a time doing research all the way. I am so excited. > whether the school provides the kind of things i would like to see or not, > i am learning so much and my children will be benefiting from this speech > from the way i am able to understand and get through to them; have to get > them interested to learn. > > Community! so many different people from so many backgrounds with varying > interests come together with a common interest; and it isn't money! > Thank you all! (but keep it coming!) > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com> wrote: > >> Having separately suggested a specific Linux software use to better >> understand cellulose biofuels, for the sake of kids I take issue with your >> assertion. >> >> We do know the global population has doubled in the last 50 years. And we >> do know kids will face shortages of food, water, energy, and housing in the >> next 50 years. Call it logic or arithmetic or social planning. We also know >> there are a lot of guns and bad attitudes that seem to be getting worse. >> >> Luckily, my kids are grown, college grads, some actually employed in >> Silicon Valley. Scientists from India are eager. Same ol, same ol in >> Minnesota. Always a smart way to do nothing. >> >> >> Linda Kateley wrote: >> >>> So that's the reason I pointed them to that mit programming program ... >>> Kids need to understand logic, it is way to teach programming logic without >>> language.. There used to be something similar back in the day called >>> bluejay which did something very similar but got people more ready for >>> objects and was intended for college. >>> >>> Whatever we think it is going to be like for them(my kids are 15), we >>> are going to be wrong. Something else will come. Some new innovation. Logic >>> to me is the key to everything. Arduino's are cool and already being used >>> in most of the robot clubs.. Languages will change shift and move.. but if >>> they understand they have to speak to the device in it's language and build >>> program's, I think they will be alright. I speak native solaris, but can >>> move between os's like shoes cause I know how they work. >>> >>> Sorry for pontification. >>> >>> lk >>> >>> >>> On 8/22/16 4:44 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote: >>> >>>> Having done Biophysics grad school in the late 1970s -> early 80s my >>>> first effort was to push those new microcomputers and even fiber optics. We >>>> had a meeting in Lowertown, St. Paul and by then I had an Epson QX10 and >>>> somehow managed to draw a 3D peptide structure that calculated liquid >>>> crystal electro-optic properties. Old Biophysics Prof. Otto Schmitt, whom I >>>> introduced as the "father of digital electronics" by throwing out some new >>>> Radio Shack Schmitt trigger ICs, remarked, "Who did this?" So the high >>>> point of my career came and went, the internet happened, everything is >>>> microcontroller controlled, lightweight displays are the norm, friends that >>>> tried to automate factories with pneumatic controls are broke, Lowertown is >>>> beautiful, Communist China is the world's biggest manufacturing economy. >>>> >>>> I like SuSE Linux because they always included hundreds of programs. >>>> IBM data explorer is worth learning before I'm 90. I learned there is now a >>>> Protein Data Bank, advanced programs to use it, and a nice XScreensaver to >>>> draw molecules. I like the Arduino toys, and am surprised how they exploit >>>> the Unix terminal connection. Most stuff I use is not in standard distros, >>>> like FreePascal, but the "forms library," oddly enough is in "Raspbian," >>>> the Raspberry Pie distro. Etc. >>>> >>>> So when a couple of school computer administrators get praise for just >>>> wanting to hear about Linux, I wonder how they will ever catch up. >>>> >>>> r hayman wrote: >>>> >>>>> Relevancy. >>>>> To remain relevant in many job fields, students must learn about open >>>>> source software and Linux. To prepare our students and our future work >>>>> force to be relevant when they enter the work force, academia and the >>>>> business world need to be aligned and that alignment, in many ways is with >>>>> open source software. >>>>> >>>>> Running open source or COTS software is seldom a business >>>>> differentiator today, it may only be a (negative) differentiator based on >>>>> licensing and support costs. >>>>> >>>>> Pharmaceutical research, weather forecasting, climate and environment >>>>> research, simulations of all types, manufacturing, design, you name it, it >>>>> predominantly runs on Linux and open source. >>>>> >>>>> For example, visit https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/ and filter >>>>> on TOP500 Release: June 2016; then Category(ies): Operating System, >>>>> Application Area, and Segments. >>>>> >>>>> You will find that of the top 500 supercomputer sites in the world, >>>>> not a single one runs either Windows or Mac OS X. Only 16 - just a hair >>>>> over 3%, run something other than some obvious distribution of Linux. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 2016-08-22 at 15:22 -0500, Rick Engebretson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> When my kids were in High School I tried working with our school >>>>>> district (Mora, MN.) in about 1998 just to get programming taught, >>>>>> somewhere. The school used all Macs but had at least one MSWindows 95 >>>>>> in >>>>>> some kind of lab. On a day they canceled school because of an ice >>>>>> storm >>>>>> I called and they said I could install the QBasic from Windows, along >>>>>> with program examples galore. So I left my kids home and drove to town >>>>>> and installed it all. I later went to school board meetings and they >>>>>> fought me until my kids all graduated. "Political" is an >>>>>> understatement. >>>>>> >>>>>> I use Linux because I can program it. I don't know how kids can make >>>>>> it >>>>>> in the future without knowing electronics and programming. It seems >>>>>> they >>>>>> are trying to cripple kids with sports, and retard them >>>>>> intellectually. >>>>>> It sure wasn't that way in the 1960s. >>>>>> >>>>>> Linda Kateley wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I started working with my school district about 10 years ago. The >>>>>>> problems I find there are always political and never about technology. What >>>>>>> worked for me is to find one champion in the system that speaks the >>>>>>> administrations language. I found there were a ton of people who wanted to >>>>>>> know, just not at the top. I introduced scratch to the elementary STEM >>>>>>> school about 5 years ago, https://scratch.mit.edu/. It was the >>>>>>> districts first involvement with opensource or community. The project has >>>>>>> been very very successful and it opened the doors to more. But then they >>>>>>> hired a new superintendent that thought it was stupid so..that happened ;( >>>>>>> linda On 8/21/16 10:43 AM, Sandwhich Eyes wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have already given one presentation at the Blair Taylor School >>>>>>>> with the principal and an IT guy and have been asked to give a follow up >>>>>>>> talk to them and the head of the IT department. They had macbook air for >>>>>>>> the older kids and ipads for the younger ones. They bring these home at the >>>>>>>> end of the school day. This time they decided to go with cromebooks. It one >>>>>>>> of the best.. rated or testing, can't think of an appropriate word, but >>>>>>>> with the quality of the teachers out here i am pretty sure they could give >>>>>>>> my kids sticks and a box of sand and they would still be well prepared for >>>>>>>> life on their own/college. I am 100% positive they will be much better off >>>>>>>> if they can learn without restrictions from open source hardware, software, >>>>>>>> classes (like MIT offers open courseware) and the ability to choose, to not >>>>>>>> be scolded for breaking some license agreement or for reading and modifying >>>>>>>> code should that be an interest. I want them to have Linux. I have gave a >>>>>>>> compelling argument in the last meeting. This time I want to have as many >>>>>>>> resources available to provide for them, including reasons why schools >>>>>>>> frequently choose to not use Linux. Anything will help. I had quite the >>>>>>>> presentation last time and the IT guy didn't know what Unix or BSD 4.4 was; >>>>>>>> or Linux, BSD, Solaris. Seems Ubuntu provides computers reloaded with Linux >>>>>>>> and tablets so how they didn't find anything about open source or >>>>>>>> Linux/BSD/ETC is beyond me. I gave them a live Ubuntu OS on a thumb drive. >>>>>>>> I wanted to make some more and use persistence to load up some information >>>>>>>> to give to the IT people who are possibly way under informed, to give them >>>>>>>> plenty of time on their own to absorb what open source has to offer; mostly >>>>>>>> community! They asked many questions about community. 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