I like this TED Talk about augmented reality, notably he mentions Microsoft Windows interface and laughs. They show neuroscience as the motivating factor behind the interface; which is interesting to me as my i have had a head injury that had left me blind for a day. took part of my memory too. so for me to sit and learn as much as possible is truly a privilege and an opportunity that i don't take lightly not to mention my ability to retain is greatly improved the more i study. https://www.ted.com/talks/meron_gribetz_a_glimpse_of_the_future_through_an_augmented_reality_headset?language=en On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:33 PM, Sandwhich Eyes <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com> wrote: > I let my kids play mindcraft but that is it. i do have grand theft auto on > an old windows partition that NEVER gets used, but someday we may loosen up > on them. i personally would like to play sometimes myself, but it seems > like it is hard to communicate with someone when they are playing a game, > as opposed to surfing, watching tv, or reading a book; as when you are > playing a game it is hard to even look up for a minute to acknowledge the > person who is speaking. i would like to think that my kids and myself will > someday be able to handle video games, just not yet. > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:04 PM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com> > wrote: > >> One of my friends is an investor in oculus rift. You can buy the dev kit >> for like $300 if i remember right.. >> >> On 8/23/16 4:52 PM, Sandwhich Eyes wrote: >> >> oculus rift reminds me of an article i read in mid 2000's about augmented >> reality and how they were working on overlays for the various things you >> would want to know about something like a building. >> >> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Sandwhich Eyes <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> oh, and thank you for your kind words about my parenting and my in site. >>> that is uplifting. and true, ayyyyyyy >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:47 PM, Sandwhich Eyes <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> i am a stay at home father. my wife went to Le Cordon Bleu for >>>> college. when I had a medical break in my career, she took over and i never >>>> looked back. >>>> we do have a garden and "we grow our own money" as i have heard said >>>> in some random TED Talk. also interested in this TED Talk about microbes: >>>> https://www.ted.com/talks/lisa_dyson_a_forgotten_space_age_t >>>> echnology_could_change_how_we_grow_food?language=en but have yet to >>>> indulge myself. >>>> i would like to do something positive for people, to make a >>>> difference with my time, not only for me but for others. I used to be a >>>> part of Rotary International for years. I like to give. I feel as though >>>> with the time on my hands i can do something for me while showing my kids >>>> what can be accomplished. should i fall short of this goal, i will have >>>> raised my 4 children to be aware that they can do things that make life >>>> fair for all people. >>>> and to further wander off topic my long term personal goal is to get >>>> land and a wind generator made from scratch, then have it make me money >>>> with our average 12 mph wind speed. then build more. but that is for me to >>>> make money, not to feel good about myself. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Besides being a good mother, you value learning, community, and even >>>>> Linux. Wow, that's a plate full! >>>>> >>>>> Staying off Linux topic here to avoid expert rebukes, may I suggest >>>>> other opportunity in your young family's future. Having mentioned the new >>>>> atmospheric CO2 levels can grow plants faster, we also can improve soil >>>>> quality with new carbon. Even the oil and coal industry is looking at black >>>>> dirt as the only remedy for climate change issues seen related to CO2 >>>>> emissions. It is called carbon sequestration. In our experience, we get >>>>> phenomenal improvement in gardens with black dirt added. Nothing a little >>>>> child loves better than eating a homegrown strawberry. I hope you can enjoy >>>>> such creative gifts with your family. >>>>> >>>>> Seeing creative opportunity in Linux, community, arts, lifestyle, and >>>>> a hopeful future sure beats competing for top barking dog status. As SuSE >>>>> Linux says after installation, "Have a lot of fun." Life is too damn short. >>>>> >>>>> Sandwhich Eyes wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> i have spent many hours reading as much as i can handle from the >>>>>> ideas in these responses. i am barely beyond the last point that i has >>>>>> mentioned the wireless mesh stuff. i am in research heaven. my overactive >>>>>> brain is just loving all the angles that you are offering me to consider! >>>>>> we, 4 kids under 8 and me, have a raspberry pi 2 and arduino uno. a small >>>>>> arsenal of parts i am accumulating. they get direction in the form of: >>>>>> consider what this really is, wood, metal, and plastic make up parts, but >>>>>> what makes it do what it is supposed to do and why does it only do that? >>>>>> could it do something else. can you put it inside of a different enclosure >>>>>> and have it do the same thing, something different? I give them power tools >>>>>> and scrap wood (someday when i have more tools i will offer them other >>>>>> materials). that gets their brains moving and ideas come forth (got the >>>>>> idea from a TED Talk). my 2 year old counts the sockets and nails etc... >>>>>> she can count to 26. was 2 in jan. providing opportunities (much like Linux >>>>>> provides unlimited options) and directions for them to look, never what >>>>>> they "should" see. >>>>>> I have so much to tell you all, but i need to spend more time reading >>>>>> through this 1 email at a time doing research all the way. I am so excited. >>>>>> whether the school provides the kind of things i would like to see or not, >>>>>> i am learning so much and my children will be benefiting from this speech >>>>>> from the way i am able to understand and get through to them; have to get >>>>>> them interested to learn. >>>>>> >>>>>> Community! so many different people from so many backgrounds with >>>>>> varying interests come together with a common interest; and it isn't money! >>>>>> Thank you all! (but keep it coming!) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com >>>>>> <mailto:eng at pinenet.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Having separately suggested a specific Linux software use to >>>>>> better understand cellulose biofuels, for the sake of kids I take >>>>>> issue with your assertion. >>>>>> >>>>>> We do know the global population has doubled in the last 50 years. >>>>>> And we do know kids will face shortages of food, water, energy, >>>>>> and housing in the next 50 years. Call it logic or arithmetic or >>>>>> social planning. We also know there are a lot of guns and bad >>>>>> attitudes that seem to be getting worse. >>>>>> >>>>>> Luckily, my kids are grown, college grads, some actually employed >>>>>> in Silicon Valley. Scientists from India are eager. Same ol, same >>>>>> ol in Minnesota. Always a smart way to do nothing. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Linda Kateley wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> So that's the reason I pointed them to that mit programming >>>>>> program ... Kids need to understand logic, it is way to teach >>>>>> programming logic without language.. There used to be >>>>>> something similar back in the day called bluejay which did >>>>>> something very similar but got people more ready for objects >>>>>> and was intended for college. >>>>>> >>>>>> Whatever we think it is going to be like for them(my kids are >>>>>> 15), we are going to be wrong. Something else will come. Some >>>>>> new innovation. Logic to me is the key to everything. >>>>>> Arduino's are cool and already being used in most of the robot >>>>>> clubs.. Languages will change shift and move.. but if they >>>>>> understand they have to speak to the device in it's language >>>>>> and build program's, I think they will be alright. I speak >>>>>> native solaris, but can move between os's like shoes cause I >>>>>> know how they work. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry for pontification. >>>>>> >>>>>> lk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/22/16 4:44 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Having done Biophysics grad school in the late 1970s -> >>>>>> early 80s my first effort was to push those new >>>>>> microcomputers and even fiber optics. We had a meeting in >>>>>> Lowertown, St. Paul and by then I had an Epson QX10 and >>>>>> somehow managed to draw a 3D peptide structure that >>>>>> calculated liquid crystal electro-optic properties. Old >>>>>> Biophysics Prof. Otto Schmitt, whom I introduced as the >>>>>> "father of digital electronics" by throwing out some new >>>>>> Radio Shack Schmitt trigger ICs, remarked, "Who did this?" >>>>>> So the high point of my career came and went, the internet >>>>>> happened, everything is microcontroller controlled, >>>>>> lightweight displays are the norm, friends that tried to >>>>>> automate factories with pneumatic controls are broke, >>>>>> Lowertown is beautiful, Communist China is the world's >>>>>> biggest manufacturing economy. >>>>>> >>>>>> I like SuSE Linux because they always included hundreds of >>>>>> programs. IBM data explorer is worth learning before I'm >>>>>> 90. I learned there is now a Protein Data Bank, advanced >>>>>> programs to use it, and a nice XScreensaver to draw >>>>>> molecules. I like the Arduino toys, and am surprised how >>>>>> they exploit the Unix terminal connection. Most stuff I >>>>>> use is not in standard distros, like FreePascal, but the >>>>>> "forms library," oddly enough is in "Raspbian," the >>>>>> Raspberry Pie distro. Etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> So when a couple of school computer administrators get >>>>>> praise for just wanting to hear about Linux, I wonder how >>>>>> they will ever catch up. >>>>>> >>>>>> r hayman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Relevancy. >>>>>> To remain relevant in many job fields, students must >>>>>> learn about open source software and Linux. To prepare >>>>>> our students and our future work force to be relevant >>>>>> when they enter the work force, academia and the >>>>>> business world need to be aligned and that alignment, >>>>>> in many ways is with open source software. >>>>>> >>>>>> Running open source or COTS software is seldom a >>>>>> business differentiator today, it may only be a >>>>>> (negative) differentiator based on licensing and >>>>>> support costs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Pharmaceutical research, weather forecasting, climate >>>>>> and environment research, simulations of all types, >>>>>> manufacturing, design, you name it, it predominantly >>>>>> runs on Linux and open source. >>>>>> >>>>>> For example, visit >>>>>> https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/ >>>>>> <https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/> and filter >>>>>> on TOP500 Release: June 2016; then Category(ies): >>>>>> Operating System, Application Area, and Segments. >>>>>> >>>>>> You will find that of the top 500 supercomputer sites >>>>>> in the world, not a single one runs either Windows or >>>>>> Mac OS X. Only 16 - just a hair over 3%, run something >>>>>> other than some obvious distribution of Linux. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 2016-08-22 at 15:22 -0500, Rick Engebretson >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> When my kids were in High School I tried working >>>>>> with our school >>>>>> district (Mora, MN.) in about 1998 just to get >>>>>> programming taught, >>>>>> somewhere. The school used all Macs but had at >>>>>> least one MSWindows 95 in >>>>>> some kind of lab. On a day they canceled school >>>>>> because of an ice storm >>>>>> I called and they said I could install the QBasic >>>>>> from Windows, along >>>>>> with program examples galore. So I left my kids >>>>>> home and drove to town >>>>>> and installed it all. I later went to school board >>>>>> meetings and they >>>>>> fought me until my kids all graduated. "Political" >>>>>> is an understatement. >>>>>> >>>>>> I use Linux because I can program it. I don't know >>>>>> how kids can make it >>>>>> in the future without knowing electronics and >>>>>> programming. It seems they >>>>>> are trying to cripple kids with sports, and retard >>>>>> them intellectually. >>>>>> It sure wasn't that way in the 1960s. >>>>>> >>>>>> Linda Kateley wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I started working with my school district >>>>>> about 10 years ago. The problems I find there >>>>>> are always political and never about >>>>>> technology. What worked for me is to find one >>>>>> champion in the system that speaks the >>>>>> administrations language. I found there were a >>>>>> ton of people who wanted to know, just not at >>>>>> the top. I introduced scratch to the >>>>>> elementary STEM school about 5 years ago, >>>>>> https://scratch.mit.edu/. It was the >>>>>> districts >>>>>> first involvement with opensource or >>>>>> community. The project has been very very >>>>>> successful and it opened the doors to more. >>>>>> But then they hired a new superintendent that >>>>>> thought it was stupid so..that happened ;( >>>>>> linda On 8/21/16 10:43 AM, Sandwhich Eyes >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I have already given one presentation at >>>>>> the Blair Taylor School with the principal >>>>>> and an IT guy and have been asked to give >>>>>> a follow up talk to them and the head of >>>>>> the IT department. They had macbook air >>>>>> for the older kids and ipads for the >>>>>> younger ones. They bring these home at the >>>>>> end of the school day. This time they >>>>>> decided to go with cromebooks. It one of >>>>>> the best.. rated or testing, can't think >>>>>> of an appropriate word, but with the >>>>>> quality of the teachers out here i am >>>>>> pretty sure they could give my kids sticks >>>>>> and a box of sand and they would still be >>>>>> well prepared for life on their >>>>>> own/college. I am 100% positive they will >>>>>> be much better off if they can learn >>>>>> without restrictions from open source >>>>>> hardware, software, classes (like MIT >>>>>> offers open courseware) and the ability to >>>>>> choose, to not be scolded for breaking >>>>>> some license agreement or for reading and >>>>>> modifying code should that be an interest. >>>>>> I want them to have Linux. I have gave a >>>>>> compelling argument in the last meeting. >>>>>> This time I want to have as many resources >>>>>> available to provide for them, including >>>>>> reasons why schools frequently choose to >>>>>> not use Linux. Anything will help. I had >>>>>> quite the presentation last time and the >>>>>> IT guy didn't know what Unix or BSD 4.4 >>>>>> was; or Linux, BSD, Solaris. Seems Ubuntu >>>>>> provides computers reloaded with Linux and >>>>>> tablets so how they didn't find anything >>>>>> about open source or Linux/BSD/ETC is >>>>>> beyond me. I gave them a live Ubuntu OS on >>>>>> a thumb drive. I wanted to make some more >>>>>> and use persistence to load up some >>>>>> information to give to the IT people who >>>>>> are possibly way under informed, to give >>>>>> them plenty of time on their own to absorb >>>>>> what open source has to offer; mostly >>>>>> community! They asked many questions about >>>>>> community. 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