But if you’re sending to someone that is redirecting and the failure happens at the redirect that cannot be your problem… > On Jul 4, 2019, at 10:36 AM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote: > > we wish. but in the real world we need to deal with and interface with poor protocols and sorry software. almost nobody specifies strict spf compliance. this is probably why. so i guess i also will back off to advisory only. yes it is my problem when folks dont receive my emails. > > > On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 9:29 AM Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>> wrote: > Correct. Their problem, not yours. :) Just annoying. > > >> On Jul 4, 2019, at 2:44 AM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net <mailto:tclug1 at whitleymott.net>> wrote: >> it's not mine. note the similarity with the node that issued the notice. i see now, it's the spf forwarding trap. by specifying strict spf compliance, i break their forwarding of my messages. hmm. >> >$ host 192.185.48.84 >> >84.48.185.192.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer gateway23.websitewelcome.com <http://gateway23.websitewelcome.com/>. >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 6:28 PM Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at notcwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at notcwis.biz>> wrote: >> Looks to me like your external IP (192.185.48.84) is not on the SPF1 list… >> >> Here’s mine for d3photography: >>> v=spf1 a mx include:zoho.com <http://zoho.com/> include:spf.smtp2go.com <http://spf.smtp2go.com/> ~all >> >> You’re definitely lacking you’re 192.185 IP in that include list. >> >> https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/192.185.48.84 <https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/192.185.48.84> >> Hostname: gateway23.websitewelcome.com <http://gateway23.websitewelcome.com/> >> >> — >> Ryan >> >> >>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:58 AM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net <mailto:tclug1 at whitleymott.net>> wrote: >>> i received the two delivery failure notices copied below (portions suppressed with ...). it's clear heidi's address in my messages must have forwarded to her address at landvantage.com <http://landvantage.com/>, and i expect the problem is in the mail handler there. but i dont want to overlook the possibility the error might be mine. the zone definition for whitleymott.net <http://whitleymott.net/> is also copied below. if anyone can see what's amis please advise. i'vs also written to postmaster at gateway33.websitewelcome.com <mailto:postmaster at gateway33.websitewelcome.com>. i also welcome your suggestions on where better to post this question. >>> >>> >>> >$TTL 4h ;ttl for all RRs lacking an explicit ttl >>> >@ SOA @ hostmaster.scalliondata.com <http://hostmaster.scalliondata.com/>. ( >>> > 696 ;serial >>> > 4h ;secondary server refresh >>> > 1h ;secondary server refresh retry >>> > 4d ;expire unrefreshed secondary server >>> > 4h ;ttl for no-such-domain (NXDOMAIN) responses from us >>> >) >>> >@ NS ns >>> >googleffffffffed11605c CNAME google.com <http://google.com/>. >>> >mail CNAME ghs.google.com <http://ghs.google.com/>. >>> >webmail CNAME ghs.google.com <http://ghs.google.com/>. >>> >mx CNAME ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM <http://aspmx.l.google.com/>. >>> >smtp CNAME ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM <http://aspmx.l.google.com/>. >>> >@ MX 10 ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM <http://aspmx.l.google.com/>. >>> >@ MX 20 ALT1.ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM <http://alt1.aspmx.l.google.com/>. >>> >@ MX 20 ALT2.ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM <http://alt2.aspmx.l.google.com/>. >>> >@ MX 30 ASPMX2.GOOGLEMAIL.COM <http://aspmx2.googlemail.com/>. >>> >@ MX 30 ASPMX3.GOOGLEMAIL.COM <http://aspmx3.googlemail.com/>. >>> >@ MX 30 ASPMX4.GOOGLEMAIL.COM <http://aspmx4.googlemail.com/>. >>> >@ MX 30 ASPMX5.GOOGLEMAIL.COM <http://aspmx5.googlemail.com/>. >>> >@ TXT "v=spf1 a a:rose.fo4.net <http://rose.fo4.net/> a:okra.fo4.net <http://okra.fo4.net/> include:aspmx.googlemail.com <http://aspmx.googlemail.com/> -all" >>> >@ A 206.123.88.191 >>> >www A 206.123.88.191 >>> >ns0 A 206.123.88.191 >>> >ns A 209.240.82.11 >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 12:39 PM Mail Delivery System <MAILER-DAEMON at gateway23.websitewelcome.com <mailto:MAILER-DAEMON at gateway23.websitewelcome.com>> wrote: >>> This is the mail system at host gateway23.websitewelcome.com <http://gateway23.websitewelcome.com/>. >>> >>> I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not >>> be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. >>> >>> For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. >>> >>> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can >>> delete your own text from the attached returned message. >>> >>> The mail system >>> >>> <... at landvantage.com <http://landvantage.com/>>: host mx10.mailspamprotection.com <http://mx10.mailspamprotection.com/>[184.154.208.34] said: >>> 550 192.185.48.84 is not allowed to send mail from whitleymott.net <http://whitleymott.net/>. Please >>> see the SPF record, with scope mfrom, identity greg at whitleymott.net <mailto:greg at whitleymott.net>, and ip >>> 192.185.48.84 (in reply to end of DATA command) >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: gregory mott <greg at whitleymott.net <mailto:greg at whitleymott.net>> >>> To: >>> Cc: David ... <...>, heidi... at ...com >>> Bcc: >>> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 12:38:35 -0500 >>> ... >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:05 AM Mail Delivery System <MAILER-DAEMON at gateway33.websitewelcome.com <mailto:MAILER-DAEMON at gateway33.websitewelcome.com>> wrote: >>> This is the mail system at host gateway33.websitewelcome.com <http://gateway33.websitewelcome.com/>. >>> >>> I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not >>> be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. >>> >>> For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. >>> >>> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can >>> delete your own text from the attached returned message. >>> >>> The mail system >>> >>> <... at landvantage.com <http://landvantage.com/>>: host mx10.mailspamprotection.com <http://mx10.mailspamprotection.com/>[108.163.228.170] >>> said: 550 192.185.146.78 is not allowed to send mail from whitleymott.net <http://whitleymott.net/>. >>> Please see the SPF record, with scope mfrom, identity greg at whitleymott.net <mailto:greg at whitleymott.net>, >>> and ip 192.185.146.78 (in reply to end of DATA command) >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: gregory mott <greg at whitleymott.net <mailto:greg at whitleymott.net>> >>> To: Sarah ... <... at gmail.com <http://gmail.com/>> >>> Cc: Laurel ...<... at gmail.com <http://gmail.com/>>, Kurt ... <... at gmail.com <http://gmail.com/>>, David ... <...>, heidi... at ...com >>> Bcc: >>> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 11:05:17 -0500 >>> ... >> >> -- >> this concludes test 42 of big bang inflation dynamics. in the advent of an actual universe, further instructions will be provided. 000000000000000000000042 > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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