totally. good points. agrees with my experience. i happily help folks that are interested in linux, but i rarely find myself convincing someone to be interested in linux. i've tried several distros, and on my desktop i keep returning to lubuntu as the best compromise, quite lightweight, things mostly just work, and the ubuntu repos have a true wealth of stuff. i often even find myself using the lxde or lxqt ui, usually just to see if some odd behavior i'm encountering is different there. but you've struck a bullseye into the top reason i use...twm. what the heck here's my whole list of reasons: - tiny footprint (swaps in right away even under heavy thrashing), - keyboard focus not stolen when windows or popups appear (doesn't anybody else ever type? boggles my mind this feature is rarely found elsewhere. i can't stand popups getting dismissed by what i was typing before i even got to see them!), - can place active window icons anywhere on the desktop (usually i slide them mostly off an edge where they occupy no space and are easy to click) - no superfluous taskbars wasting precious space, - trim titlebars (not very tall and not the whole window width, i even ditch the titlebar buttons & configure the functionality into mouse or keyboard actions anywhere on the titlebar or window), - can slide a window so parts of it are off screen in any direction and then stretch it to fill the screen with the part i want to see, - vert zoom, horiz zoom, left zoom, right zoom, top zoom, bottom zoom, full zoom, - keystroke & mouseclick actions all configurable (ugly by default, but reasonable with a modest twmrc), - i have bouts where i go trying the others, but after all these decades twm's features still have not been usurped. i'll happily share my twmrc with anyone interested. and there's a fair bit more to making myself happy with lubuntu, eg purging various packages that launch forever running daemons i have no use for. On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 1:49 PM Haudy Kazemi <kaze0010 at umn.edu> wrote: > Hello, > > I am splitting this topic off from the other thread, hoping that someone > has a solution or recommendations. > > My experience with Android and Windows is they both do a very good job in > dealing with processes that become very memory or CPU hungry. The systems > tend to stay responsive (may lag slightly, but usable), and recoverable > (task managers can still be brought up), even under extreme memory and CPU > pressure. > > I have yet to find a desktop Linux distro that can do nearly as well. > Chrome and Firefox both easily get into 100% CPU usage and high memory > usage situations on desktop Linux, resulting in nonresponsive systems, that > I don't experience on Android or Windows. These situations are easy enough > to hit that even novice users can experience them with only a handful of > open tabs, depending on the sites open. (On the exact same hardware, > Windows can run the same browser with the same or even more tabs and > survive). With these problems, I find it hard to recommend Linux as a > general purpose desktop OS to others or even use it as my own desktop as my > daily driver. Linux seems to do okay when the upper bounds of the loads are > well-defined and easily fit within the available resources. > > Does anyone know of a distro that does as good as a job at maintaining > resource control and desktop responsiveness under heavy load as Android or > Windows? I would love to hear about it. > > Thanks, > > -hk > > P.S. a relevant article, "Yes, Linux Does Bad In Low RAM / Memory Pressure > Situations On The Desktop" > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Does-Bad-Low-RAM > > P.P.S. It appears that Android uses pressure stall information (PSI) to > mitigate these problems per post > https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/general-discussion/1118164-yes-linux-does-bad-in-low-ram-memory-pressure-situations-on-the-desktop?p=1118174#post1118174 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20200728/028a30d3/attachment.htm>