I have been using PNY Black Diamond CD-Rs for quite a while. I have only burned maybe 2-3 coasters, and those were my fault. I use an HP 9300 ATAPI at 10X. I assume you are talking about the cheap PNY's on the 50 ct spindle. We distribute PNY, and the Black Diamonds are about 20% higher cost, but work much better. If you are interested in getting the Black Diamonds, I think I could work out some kind of a deal for the LUG. It would be about $22 per 50 count spindle. We usually only carry 5-10 at a time, so you would have to allow order time. Let me know if you are interested. It would have to be through the LUG, not individual orders, since we are a wholesaler. James Spinti jspinti@dartdist.com 952-368-3278 952-368-3255 (fax)