From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jan 9 14:12:09 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] My first production 802.11b PtP installation Message-ID: Welp, I finally did my first production-use 802.11b point-to-point (bridge two wired networks together) installation last week. :) They had a fiber break, and needed quick connectivity, so I just sold'em some of the stuff I had laying around. It's only about a 150ft link, but hey, it's still cool! Basically, two Linksys WAP11's with SMC's firmware, a 8dBi omni at one end and a 19dBi parabolic grid at the other. Right now, the 8dBi is strapped onto a bucket full of sand with tiewraps, and the grid is mounted to a short mast that is mounted in (you guessed it!) a bucket full of sand, which we then dumped water into to get a more solid base (heh, I bet the ice has melted by now, though.. ah well!). This is just a hack to make do for now; they are going to put up a permanent mount on each end (one of the buildings already has a tower for ham radio, so we'll probably mount the parabolic off that, and then do a wall mount for the omni on the other end). They are also going to add lightning protection. Link came up just fine, and they are seeing between 3.5mb and 5mb on it.. I didn't turn on some of the options on the WAP11's that help speed but also can cause it to crash, otherwise we'd be seeing 6-7. TCO: $750 (what i paid like 6 months ago for all the gear; if I went and bought everything again now, I'd probably pay $500), mounts and lightning protection not included. Amazing how cheap you can do this stuff! This is only a 150ft link, but with clear LoS, 1-2mi would be no problem with the same gear. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jan 10 00:53:16 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] recommendations for a card? Message-ID: <20020109235904.11354e39.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> I recently bought a laptop (looks like it's been delivered, but is sitting in my apartment building's office tonight), and am looking at getting a wireless card for it. Since 802.1x is the Next Big Thing, do I have to worry about hardware supporting that, or is it just a software layer, or what? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Don't panic, don't panic... / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Oops. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20020110/eb62fe8b/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jan 10 03:30:09 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] recommendations for a card? In-Reply-To: <20020109235904.11354e39.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 11:59:04PM -0600 References: <20020109235904.11354e39.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020110010113.A21997@real-time.com> Quoting Mike Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu): > I recently bought a laptop (looks like it's been delivered, but is sitting > in my apartment building's office tonight), and am looking at getting a > wireless card for it. Since 802.1x is the Next Big Thing, do I have to > worry about hardware supporting that, or is it just a software layer, or > what? It's all in the card. Just get a good PCMCIA card and you'll have not problems. Nate will fight me on this, but I prefer the Cisco AiroNet stuff. It's a little more pricey then others, but it's rock solid under linux. I even took my Cisco Wireless specialization course using AiroNet gear under Linux, even though Windows was "required". -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.tcwug.org Minnesota Wireless | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jan 10 11:44:28 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] recommendations for a card? In-Reply-To: <20020109235904.11354e39.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Mike Hicks wrote: > I recently bought a laptop (looks like it's been delivered, but is > sitting in my apartment building's office tonight), and am looking at > getting a wireless card for it. Since 802.1x is the Next Big Thing, > do I have to worry about hardware supporting that, or is it just a > software layer, or what? If you want one that "just works", go Aironet or Orinoco. Drivers for both of those are in the stock PCMCIA distribution, and don't require any playing. If you want a card you can use in Host AP mode, go buy a Prism2-based card. It requires a bit of playing to get working, but you can do all sorts of cool tweaks with the cards that you can't do with Cisco/Orinoco. Inexpensive route: http://store.yahoo.com/justdeals/proxran80wir1.html This card is a relabeled ZComax XI-300 (Prism2 chipset), with older firmware (updating the firmware is kind of a chore on this card; but it can be done) It only works in 3.3v PCMCIA slots, which means it only works in newer laptops, but it also sucks less power. This card is only $45, which kills the price of any other card. One really neat feature is it has a removable antenna, so you can hook up an external high-gain antenna if you so desire. On the 802.1x topic, it's going to require new hardware from what I've read, but nobody has it yet -- so if you need wireless now, it's not worth waiting around for it. If you can wait a year or two, by all means, wait a year or two. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From andyw at pobox.com Thu Jan 10 13:16:31 2002 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] recommendations for a card? In-Reply-To: <20020110010113.A21997@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 01:01:13AM -0600 References: <20020109235904.11354e39.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20020110010113.A21997@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020110171629.B4478@florence.linkmargin.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Mike Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu): > > I recently bought a laptop (looks like it's been delivered, but is sitting > > in my apartment building's office tonight), and am looking at getting a > > wireless card for it. Since 802.1x is the Next Big Thing, do I have to > > worry about hardware supporting that, or is it just a software layer, or > > what? > > It's all in the card. Just get a good PCMCIA card and you'll have not problems. 802.1x is an authentication scheme, and will affect things like the host driver implementation more than the cards hardware/firmware. > Nate will fight me on this, but I prefer the Cisco AiroNet stuff. It's a little > more pricey then others, but it's rock solid under linux. I even took my Cisco > Wireless specialization course using AiroNet gear under Linux, even though > Windows was "required". The Cisco cards are good. Lucent/Orinoco/Agere are also solid performers (they are rebadged as Compaq, Gateway, Sony and others.) The D-Link/Linksys/SMC/Netgears of this world are mostly quick-spins on the Intersil reference design, and the range and performance reflect this (as does the price.) Among Intersil-based cards, the zcomax is said to stand out for it's above average performance. You can pick up Agere silver(40 bit WEP)/gold (128 bit WEP) cards on used market for $50-$75 if price is a concern. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 From andyw at pobox.com Thu Jan 10 14:03:00 2002 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] recommendations for a card? In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 10:11:10AM -0600 References: <20020109235904.11354e39.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020110175909.D4478@florence.linkmargin.com> Nate Carlson wrote: > [excellent pointer to $45 zcomax card deleted...] > On the 802.1x topic, it's going to require new hardware from what I've > read, but nobody has it yet -- so if you need wireless now, it's not worth > waiting around for it. If you can wait a year or two, by all means, wait a > year or two. :) Can you shed some light on the 802.1x/new hardware requirement ? Since 802.1x is a port-based authentication scheme that extends it's hooks into key management, I'm led to believe that it wouldn't likely need new hardware. Isn't Cisco touting 802.1x using their current cards ? 802.11a or 802.11g are new physical layer standards that will require new hardware. I'm not trying to pick an argument here, I think this is the kind of clarification that forums like this are great at providing. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jan 10 19:58:43 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] recommendations for a card? In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 10:11:10AM -0600 References: <20020109235904.11354e39.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020110141134.F17283@real-time.com> Quoting Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com): > If you want a card you can use in Host AP mode, go buy a Prism2-based > card. It requires a bit of playing to get working, but you can do all > sorts of cool tweaks with the cards that you can't do with Cisco/Orinoco. The Cisco gear can go Host AP mode too, it's called AdHoc mode. Just to champion Cisco gear. :-0 -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.tcwug.org Minnesota Wireless | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From andyw at pobox.com Thu Jan 10 20:59:11 2002 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] recommendations for a card? In-Reply-To: <20020110141134.F17283@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:11:34PM -0600 References: <20020109235904.11354e39.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20020110141134.F17283@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020111022049.E4772@florence.linkmargin.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com): > > If you want a card you can use in Host AP mode, go buy a Prism2-based > > card. It requires a bit of playing to get working, but you can do all > > sorts of cool tweaks with the cards that you can't do with Cisco/Orinoco. > > The Cisco gear can go Host AP mode too, it's called AdHoc mode. Just to champion > Cisco gear. :-0 IIRC, ad-hoc and infrastructure mode are quite different. Most (all?) cards can do ad-hoc mode, where there is no AP. Few cards have the required firmware hooks (or have them be non-secret) to act as an AP - the timing requirements are fairly stringent. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 From asim_beg at hotmail.com Thu Jan 10 21:48:07 2002 From: asim_beg at hotmail.com (Asim Beg) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Linux as an Access Point? Message-ID: Does anyone have a recommendation for a PCI card that: - uses an external antenna - works easily with Linux (Prism II or Lucent based) I want to build an Access Point (Infrastructure mode) using Linux. Has anyone tried doing it?. I don't want to use those ISA/PCI<-->PCMCIA cards. Any suggestions? Asim Beg _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Jan 10 22:36:14 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: recommendations for a card? In-Reply-To: <20020111022049.E4772@florence.linkmargin.com> References: <20020109235904.11354e39.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20020110141134.F17283@real-time.com> <20020111022049.E4772@florence.linkmargin.com> Message-ID: <20020110214450.Z26419@ringworld.org> * Andy Warner [020110 20:59]: > IIRC, ad-hoc and infrastructure mode are quite different. Most (all?) cards can > do ad-hoc mode, where there is no AP. Few cards have the required firmware Agreed. Lucent has the firmware in their cards, but youve got to sign a NDA to use it. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ the desire for space travel is a metaphor for escape From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Jan 10 22:36:21 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: recommendations for a card? In-Reply-To: <20020110175909.D4478@florence.linkmargin.com> References: <20020109235904.11354e39.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20020110175909.D4478@florence.linkmargin.com> Message-ID: <20020110214555.A26419@ringworld.org> * Andy Warner [020110 14:03]: > likely need new hardware. Isn't Cisco touting 802.1x using > their current cards ? Yeah, except with cisco cards its all done in firmware if your using LEAP/802.1x. netbsd has the code in their airo driver that can do it without any special stuff. (you set your username and password hash to the card.) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ the desire for space travel is a metaphor for escape From andyw at pobox.com Fri Jan 11 00:13:20 2002 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Linux as an Access Point? In-Reply-To: ; from asim_beg@hotmail.com on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 09:09:55PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020111052131.I4772@florence.linkmargin.com> Asim Beg wrote: > > Does anyone have a recommendation for a PCI card that: > - uses an external antenna > - works easily with Linux (Prism II or Lucent based) > > I want to build an Access Point (Infrastructure mode) using Linux. Has > anyone tried doing it?. I don't want to use those ISA/PCI<-->PCMCIA cards. If you're going to try and build a true AP from Linux, I believe you'll want to go with a PrismII chipset, since Intersil supports a mode called "HostAP", where the firmware does the highly time-sensitive work (beaconing etc) and the driver basicly handles all the management packets (association etc.) This should get you jump started: http://people.ssh.com/jkm/Prism2/ As Scott pointed out in another posting, the Lucent card firmware has AP functionality, but the doco describing the interface is NDA material. Supposedly, the full docs for Intersil's HostAP mode are covered by NDA too, but it is possible to release the driver source without violating the NDA. Why are you not interested in using the adapter cards ? If price is the problem, MPC in Eagan currently has Lucent adapters for $10 (I believe they use a TI bridge chip, not a PLX.) -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jan 11 01:17:52 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] recommendations for a card? In-Reply-To: <20020111022049.E4772@florence.linkmargin.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Andy Warner wrote: > IIRC, ad-hoc and infrastructure mode are quite different. Most (all?) > cards can do ad-hoc mode, where there is no AP. Few cards have the > required firmware hooks (or have them be non-secret) to act as an AP - > the timing requirements are fairly stringent. Anything Prism2, there are drivers you can use under Linux to become a true Infrastructure mode AP. Ad-hoc sucks. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jan 11 01:17:59 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Linux as an Access Point? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Asim Beg wrote: > Does anyone have a recommendation for a PCI card that: > - uses an external antenna > - works easily with Linux (Prism II or Lucent based) > > I want to build an Access Point (Infrastructure mode) using Linux. Has > anyone tried doing it?. I don't want to use those ISA/PCI<-->PCMCIA > cards. Supposedely, you can use a Linksys WMP11 (Prism2.5-based card in a PCI form factor, SMA connectors IIRC) to do exactly this. Check the lwlan-users archives for details.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jan 11 01:19:11 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] recommendations for a card? In-Reply-To: <20020110175909.D4478@florence.linkmargin.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Andy Warner wrote: > Can you shed some light on the 802.1x/new hardware requirement ? Since > 802.1x is a port-based authentication scheme that extends it's hooks > into key management, I'm led to believe that it wouldn't likely need > new hardware. Isn't Cisco touting 802.1x using their current cards ? Yeah, they are. But you have to go a Cisco 350-series to get it, from what I've read. > 802.11a or 802.11g are new physical layer standards that will require > new hardware. > > I'm not trying to pick an argument here, I think this is the kind of > clarification that forums like this are great at providing. Yeah.. I actually know about jack squat about 802.1x; I have just read on messages from various mailing lists (I believe seattle-dev is the most active one on this subject) that makes it sound like it's gonna require new hardware. Could be totally wrong, too; firmware update may be all it takes. I need time to research on wireless again.. *sighs* Anyone know for sure, or have the time to do research? :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Jan 11 02:09:53 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: recommendations for a card? In-Reply-To: References: <20020111022049.E4772@florence.linkmargin.com> Message-ID: <20020111014800.J26419@ringworld.org> * natecars@real-time.com [020111 01:18]: > Anything Prism2, there are drivers you can use under Linux to become a > true Infrastructure mode AP. Note that many 'reference design' prism 2 cards have *horrid* range. I had a user with one of the compaq cards have issues with reaching an access point whereas with lucent and cisco cards were able to reach fine. It turned out to be a signal issue. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ the desire for space travel is a metaphor for escape From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jan 11 12:03:26 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: recommendations for a card? In-Reply-To: <20020111014800.J26419@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Scott Dier wrote: > Note that many 'reference design' prism 2 cards have *horrid* range. They they do! ZcomAx is the only decent Prism2 I've used. > I had a user with one of the compaq cards have issues with reaching an > access point whereas with lucent and cisco cards were able to reach > fine. It turned out to be a signal issue. Yeah. I have the same deals at home with a couple $30 Prism2 cards I had. But, they get 1mb in the far reaches of the house, which is all I need for SSH and web surfing.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From andyw at pobox.com Tue Jan 15 16:54:28 2002 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Linux as an Access Point? In-Reply-To: <20020111052131.I4772@florence.linkmargin.com>; from andyw@pobox.com on Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 05:21:31AM -0600 References: <20020111052131.I4772@florence.linkmargin.com> Message-ID: <20020115201604.A30505@florence.linkmargin.com> Last week, I wrote: > [...] > Why are you not interested in using the adapter cards ? If price > is the problem, MPC in Eagan currently has Lucent adapters for $10 > (I believe they use a TI bridge chip, not a PLX.) My bad - they are $20. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jan 15 18:37:02 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Linux as an Access Point? In-Reply-To: <20020115201604.A30505@florence.linkmargin.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Andy Warner wrote: > My bad - they are $20. WOW, that's cheap! Anyone know if these are a true PCMCIA Bridge? If so, that'd rock.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From asim_beg at hotmail.com Tue Jan 15 18:56:59 2002 From: asim_beg at hotmail.com (Asim Beg) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Linux as an Access Point? Message-ID: > > [...] > > Why are you not interested in using the adapter cards ? If price > > is the problem, MPC in Eagan currently has Lucent adapters for $10 > > (I believe they use a TI bridge chip, not a PLX.) > >My bad - they are $20. >-- >andyw@pobox.com > >Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >Minnesota >http://www.tcwug.org >tcwug-list@tcwug.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list The reason I didn't want to use PCMCIA/Adapter combo is because attaching external antennas is nasty and flaky most of the time. I know you can buy pigtails for a bunch of the cards out there including the Orinoco (~ $40 for pigtail)... Over the weekend, I did end up buying the linsys WMP11 for my leeenux! The installation for client setup was pretty straight forward using the wlan-ng driver. Now I am going to try setting it up as an AP. I am not sure if Jouni Malinen's driver will work as someone had suggested earlier. That driver is written for PCMCIA cards, and I have a PCI card.....I suppose I will find out. Asim _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From andyw at pobox.com Tue Jan 15 20:28:34 2002 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Linux as an Access Point? In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 05:54:25PM -0600 References: <20020115201604.A30505@florence.linkmargin.com> Message-ID: <20020116015723.A1047@florence.linkmargin.com> Nate Carlson wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Andy Warner wrote: > > My bad - they are $20. > > WOW, that's cheap! > > Anyone know if these are a true PCMCIA Bridge? I believe it is. Here's what /proc/pci says: $ cat /proc/pci PCI devices found: Bus 0, device 0, function 0: Host bridge: Intel Unknown device (rev 3). Vendor id=8086. Device id=7124. Fast devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. Master Capable. No bursts. [blah blah blah] Bus 1, device 11, function 0: CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments Unknown device (rev 1). Vendor id=104c. Device id=ac50. Medium devsel. Master Capable. No bursts. Min Gnt=64.Max Lat=3. $ I think this is the original Lucent doco for the board: ftp://ftp.orinocowireless.com/pub/docs/ORINOCO/MANUALS/GSG_PCI.pdf The chip (singular) is a TI PCI1410: http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/productfolder.jhtml?genericPartNumber=PCI1410&familyId=381 I've not loaded a driver to talk to the Orinoco silver card installed in it yet, mostly because thanks to RedHat, I don't have any pcmcia modules on that system. If I get to it tonight/tomorrow, I'll post my findings.. While I'm blabbing - anyone got a favourite source for Zcomax cards (one that actually has them in stock) ? -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 From andyw at pobox.com Tue Jan 15 20:33:45 2002 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Linux as an Access Point? In-Reply-To: ; from asim_beg@hotmail.com on Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 06:18:02PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020116015945.B1047@florence.linkmargin.com> Asim Beg wrote: > [...] > The installation for client setup was pretty straight forward using the > wlan-ng driver. > > Now I am going to try setting it up as an AP. I am not sure if Jouni > Malinen's driver will work as someone had suggested earlier. That driver is > written for PCMCIA cards, and I have a PCI card.....I suppose I will find > out. If wlan-ng works on it, and prism2 doesn't, it can only be a matter of tweaking the probe/setup stuff. The API to the MAC processor etc is going to be the same. Keep us posted. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 From asim_beg at hotmail.com Tue Jan 15 21:32:02 2002 From: asim_beg at hotmail.com (Asim Beg) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cheap boxes for linux routers Message-ID: Anyone know of a good source for cheap P133 (or similar) power computers. I want to make a couple of wireless routers. I found Midwest Micro? on Washington, behind the supercomputing center. They are selling pentium 166 types between $150 $300 I think, which I find a little too much for such old boxes. Asim _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From andyw at pobox.com Tue Jan 15 23:41:57 2002 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:34 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Odd twin cities wireless nodes... Message-ID: <20020115204323.B30505@florence.linkmargin.com> I've (net)stumbled across two strange sets of nodes in the twin cities metro area: 1. Ad-hoc nodes with bizarre MAC addresses, numeric names, and wide coverage. Examples are: Lat Long SSID MAC 44.9705833 -93.3708333 132137 86:01:20:01:9d:00 44.9512333 -93.3479333 132185 3e:02:16:00:72:02 44.9662667 -93.2710333 131057 22:00:96:02:12:01 44.8284500 -93.2922333 132027 66:03:fa:01:23:03 44.8284833 -93.3892167 130171 8e:01:99:02:3c:00 44.8886667 -93.3779667 132183 d6:02:07:00:07:00 44.9487667 -93.1073 128169 4e:00:95:00:ce:02 44.8743167 -93.3282833 131061 be:03:a1:00:93:02 44.7465667 -93.2932333 128147 b2:00:bd:01:98:01 There's obviously some structure there, but I'll be darned if I can see it. Attached is a map showing their location (by "location", I mean the co-ords with the highest S/N ratio, given the huge coverage some of these nodes.) Does anyone have any idea what these might be ? 2. "Cablegon" nodes, these include "Cablegon LaSalle" (qty 8 around LaSalle plaza downtown Mpls), "Cablegon Linden", "Cablegon South" and "Cablegon River". These all seem medium coverage nodes. The mac addresses check out as Entrasys (nee Cabletron.) They all run WEP. Assorted searches for "cablegon" turn up the empty set; again, does anyone have any ideas ? -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: map.gif Type: image/gif Size: 158224 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20020115/1f54a76d/map.gif From asim_beg at hotmail.com Wed Jan 16 10:37:53 2002 From: asim_beg at hotmail.com (Asim Beg) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:34 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Odd twin cities wireless nodes... Message-ID: >From: Andy Warner >I've (net)stumbled across two strange sets of nodes in the >twin cities metro area: > > 1. Ad-hoc nodes with bizarre MAC addresses, numeric names, > and wide coverage. Examples are: > > Lat Long SSID MAC > 44.9705833 -93.3708333 132137 86:01:20:01:9d:00 > 44.9512333 -93.3479333 132185 3e:02:16:00:72:02 > 44.9662667 -93.2710333 131057 22:00:96:02:12:01 > 44.8284500 -93.2922333 132027 66:03:fa:01:23:03 > 44.8284833 -93.3892167 130171 8e:01:99:02:3c:00 > 44.8886667 -93.3779667 132183 d6:02:07:00:07:00 > 44.9487667 -93.1073 128169 4e:00:95:00:ce:02 > 44.8743167 -93.3282833 131061 be:03:a1:00:93:02 > 44.7465667 -93.2932333 128147 b2:00:bd:01:98:01 > > There's obviously some structure there, but I'll be darned > if I can see it. Attached is a map showing their location > (by "location", I mean the co-ords with the highest S/N > ratio, given the huge coverage some of these nodes.) > > Does anyone have any idea what these might be ? > > 2. "Cablegon" nodes, these include "Cablegon LaSalle" (qty 8 > around LaSalle plaza downtown Mpls), "Cablegon Linden", > "Cablegon South" and "Cablegon River". These all seem > medium coverage nodes. The mac addresses check out as Entrasys > (nee Cabletron.) They all run WEP. > > Assorted searches for "cablegon" turn up the empty > set; again, does anyone have any ideas ? >-- >andyw@pobox.com > >Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 ><< map.gif >> Whats interesting is that the MAC addresses in (1) could not be located in the public database....government/military/forged perhaps?. Try this link to lookup MAC address http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/oui/index.shtml Use the first 3 octets (from left) (00022d -> Agere) Andy: what software are you using for the map? Asim _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Jan 16 11:06:03 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:34 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] small omni Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00351495A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Anyone have a small magnetic mount omni that they would like to sell? I pick up lots of networks without the antenna, but signal is usually low unless I drive right up to the building the AP is in. Jay From andyw at pobox.com Wed Jan 16 17:58:14 2002 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:34 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Odd twin cities wireless nodes... In-Reply-To: ; from asim_beg@hotmail.com on Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 10:27:20AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020116170211.B1260@florence.linkmargin.com> Asim Beg wrote: > [...] > Whats interesting is that the MAC addresses in (1) could not be located in > the public database....government/military/forged perhaps?. Three things sprang to my mind: 1. There's something else going on, like this isn't really 802.11b, but the frames look close enough to fool my Lucent cards. Perhaps it's the Karlnet or COR/ROR software loads for lucent gear or something similar. It cannot be Breezecom FH stuff like the BA-II because that would just never be demodulated. 2. Someone goes to the trouble of inventing mac addresses that are all over the map & overriding the manufacturers defaults with them, why ? 3. This is some really shoddy manufacturer that doesn't give a hoot about using legit ethernet addresses - I suppose a minor variation on that would be a small software outfit that doesn't want to pay the IEEE for a block, but I'd recycle a dead company's oui before I just invented random numbers. My money is on some variant of option 1 above, I'd just love to know the details. > Try this link to lookup MAC address > http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/oui/index.shtml or /etc/manuf if you've ever installed ethereal. That gets stale though. I find it's easier to pull the oui list straight off the ieee site, cook it a little and keep a local oui file up to date that way with cron. > Andy: what software are you using for the map? www.mapblast.com -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Thu Jan 17 23:09:03 2002 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:34 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cheap boxes for linux routers References: Message-ID: <01e301c19fd9$ed67b180$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> Have you tried MPC (Material Processing Center)? They have P166s for about $45. Joseph ----- Original Message ----- From: "Asim Beg" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 9:23 PM Subject: [TCWUG] Cheap boxes for linux routers > Anyone know of a good source for cheap P133 (or similar) power computers. I > want to make a couple of wireless routers. I found Midwest Micro? on > Washington, behind the supercomputing center. They are selling pentium 166 > types between $150 $300 I think, which I find a little too much for such old > boxes. > > Asim > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > From asim_beg at hotmail.com Thu Jan 17 23:59:19 2002 From: asim_beg at hotmail.com (Asim Beg) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:34 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cheap boxes for linux routers Message-ID: MPC. Is that a local shop? I tried some searching on google but to no avail. Could you please send the street address/ website etc. Asim >From: "Joseph Key" >Reply-To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org >To: >Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Cheap boxes for linux routers >Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:38:03 -0600 > >Have you tried MPC (Material Processing Center)? They have P166s for about >$45. > >Joseph > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Asim Beg" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 9:23 PM >Subject: [TCWUG] Cheap boxes for linux routers > > > > Anyone know of a good source for cheap P133 (or similar) power >computers. >I > > want to make a couple of wireless routers. I found Midwest Micro? on > > Washington, behind the supercomputing center. They are selling pentium >166 > > types between $150 $300 I think, which I find a little too much for such >old > > boxes. > > > > Asim > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >Minnesota > > http://www.tcwug.org > > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >Minnesota >http://www.tcwug.org >tcwug-list@tcwug.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Fri Jan 18 02:20:36 2002 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:34 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cheap boxes for linux routers In-Reply-To: ; from asim_beg@hotmail.com on Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 11:18:35PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020118014349.A25526@trammell.dyndns.org> On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 11:18:35PM -0600, Asim Beg wrote: > MPC. Is that a local shop? I tried some searching on google > but to no avail. Could you please send the street address/ > website etc. http://www.materialsprocessing.com/ -- Power corrupts, but intermittent power corrupts absolutely. - Jeff Bell, in the Monastery From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jan 18 21:50:04 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:34 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Ping times... Message-ID: <20020118212019.08f53e9a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Now that I actually have a laptop, and am starting to use wireless more frequently, I've noticed that the latencies on wireless aren't all that great, but they can vary quite a bit. Noting that X11 (for instance) really starts to be painful once you hit about 50ms latency, I'm just curious if people have played with ways of speeding things up.. How good of latencies can you ordinarily get with 802.11 anyway? I suppose there could be things that keep it from being as good as wired networks, but I don't know much about this. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "There is no spoon" / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I > suppose there could be things that keep it from being as good as wired > networks, but I don't know much about this. At my house here, I generally get 2-5ms. A few tips: - Turning off WEP helps. It sucks, but helps. IPSec and/or SSH rule. :) - Place multiple BSS's around the area you're trying to cover, each running the same ESSID and WEP key (if you're using WEP), but on differenet channels. This will allow you to get the strongest signal possible wherever you happen to be. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jan 19 21:18:25 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:34 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Ping times... In-Reply-To: References: <20020118212019.08f53e9a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020119195557.165cf679.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> wrote: > > > How good of latencies can you ordinarily get with 802.11 anyway? I > > suppose there could be things that keep it from being as good as wired > > networks, but I don't know much about this. > > At my house here, I generally get 2-5ms. Ah.. I found out that part of my problem was that the card was in a low-power mode, and would only transmit every ~100ms. Going back to full power brought it back to around 3ms here at my apartment. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Energizer Bunny Arrested! / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Charged with battery. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I plugged mine into my notebook and fired up my Ethernet sniffer, which collected approximately 700+ webmail username/password pairs, over 100 POP logins, a good littering of telnet logins, a bunch of tunneled CIFS logins, and other assorted good stuff. Enough to crack into a user account at a large portion of the represented telco R&D firms. What I learned at IETF that year: the telecommunications world was still too stupid to be allowed to own wireless ethernet. That was the IETF. This is an airport. IPSEC? Nah. It's easier to jail the occasional teenager for "sniffing" than it is to actually fix the problem....." Asim _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From andyw at pobox.com Wed Jan 30 10:31:29 2002 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:35 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Wireless at MSP airport In-Reply-To: ; from asim_beg@hotmail.com on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 09:55:41AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020130102747.D26216@florence.linkmargin.com> Asim Beg wrote: > Just curious what you guys think of yesterday's article in Star Tribune. > http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/1130636.html The pricing is a little vague. Concourse/iPass are going to somehow extract money from corporate accounts, but if you've got a wireless laptop anyway - it's free. Am I the only one that can't make that add up ? If you go to the concourse/ipass web sites, you'll not find a whole bundle of info about pricing - they seem to be following the wayport et. al. model from what I can tell. Time for an email to concourse... I'll post what I find out (if anything.) > I was amused by one of the comments on slashdot: > > "Unless the thing supports IPSec, it would be 100% useless for business > travelers > > Last time I was at the IETF, in Pittsburgh, Marconi was running the show and > gave everyone 802.11 cards. I plugged mine into my notebook and fired up my > Ethernet sniffer, which collected approximately 700+ webmail > username/password pairs, over 100 POP logins, a good littering of telnet > logins, a bunch of tunneled CIFS logins, and other assorted good stuff. > Enough to crack into a user account at a large portion of the represented > telco R&D firms. What I learned at IETF that year: the telecommunications > world was still too stupid to be allowed to own wireless ethernet. I can vouch for that. At Nanog22 during one of the breaks, someone put up a slide with 40 or so passwords on it that they had snarfed with dsniff. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 From andyw at pobox.com Wed Jan 30 11:08:03 2002 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:35 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Wireless at MSP airport In-Reply-To: <20020130102747.D26216@florence.linkmargin.com>; from andyw@pobox.com on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:27:47AM -0600 References: <20020130102747.D26216@florence.linkmargin.com> Message-ID: <20020130105140.F26216@florence.linkmargin.com> Andy Warner wrote: > [...] > what I can tell. Time for an email to concourse... > I'll post what I find out (if anything.) Clue atrophy, wrt concourse communciations: I just got this bounce: > To: airport_access@concoursecommunications.com > Subject: Pricing questions. > Sent: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:35:16 -0500 > > did not reach the following recipient(s): > > airport_access@concoursecommunications.com on Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:32:35 > -0500 > The recipient name is not recognized > The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= ;p=Concourse > Commun;l=METAFRAME0201301632D9T0CGS9 > MSEXCH:IMS:Concourse Communications:Springfield:METAFRAME 0 (000C05A6) > Unknown Recipient iPass looks like an earthlink-like substance (remote access aggregator) with the added value of being global and having a canned VPN solution. Their list of US ISP partners is not particularly impressive. In order for access to be free, you need to have either an iPass account, or one with a partner ISP - unless there's some late breaking news, I think the Strib article is misleading - classic case of bait and switch/easily led journalist. I'd expect a boingo account to work at the airport after some period of iPass/boingo haggling. I have no idea how robust the iPass VPN technology is. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 From chrise at pobox.com Wed Jan 30 11:08:52 2002 From: chrise at pobox.com (Chris Elmquist) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:35 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Wireless at MSP airport In-Reply-To: <20020130102747.D26216@florence.linkmargin.com>; from andyw@pobox.com on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:27:47AM -0600 References: <20020130102747.D26216@florence.linkmargin.com> Message-ID: <20020130110118.I31525@n0jcf.net> On Wednesday (01/30/2002 at 10:27AM -0600), Andy Warner wrote: > Asim Beg wrote: > > > I was amused by one of the comments on slashdot: > > > > "Unless the thing supports IPSec, it would be 100% useless for business > > travelers > > > > Last time I was at the IETF, in Pittsburgh, Marconi was running the show and > > gave everyone 802.11 cards. I plugged mine into my notebook and fired up my > > Ethernet sniffer, which collected approximately 700+ webmail > > username/password pairs, over 100 POP logins, a good littering of telnet > > logins, a bunch of tunneled CIFS logins, and other assorted good stuff. > > Enough to crack into a user account at a large portion of the represented > > telco R&D firms. What I learned at IETF that year: the telecommunications > > world was still too stupid to be allowed to own wireless ethernet. > > I can vouch for that. At Nanog22 during one of the breaks, > someone put up a slide with 40 or so passwords on it that they had > snarfed with dsniff. One can only hope that the world will one day recognize that if they are going to play on the public airwaves, with radio TRANSMITTERS, that they should assume the burdeon of securing their transmissions themselves. There's a huge percentage of the population that can't make the connection between "wireless" and "radio" and "broadcasting" and have no idea that their stuff is flying around for everyone to see. I am (and forever will be) against any kind of legislation that makes it a crime to look at this stuff in the air. If there should be any legislation, it should be that these devices must carry labeling that tells the user he is using a radio transmitter and everyone can hear him! To me, this is the same as standing naked in your front yard and then wanting the city to pass an ordinance that says your neighbors can't look at you. cje -- Chris Elmquist | mailto:chrise@pobox.com | http://www.pobox.com/~chrise From asim_beg at hotmail.com Wed Jan 30 11:26:06 2002 From: asim_beg at hotmail.com (Asim Beg) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:35 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Wireless at MSP airport Message-ID: I am confused about the pricing and access model too. I am suspecting that the reporter didn't understand it well so she wrote whatever made sense to her. Asim >From: Andy Warner >Reply-To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org >To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org >Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Wireless at MSP airport >Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:27:47 -0600 > >Asim Beg wrote: > > Just curious what you guys think of yesterday's article in Star Tribune. > > http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/1130636.html > >The pricing is a little vague. Concourse/iPass are going >to somehow extract money from corporate accounts, but >if you've got a wireless laptop anyway - it's free. >Am I the only one that can't make that add up ? > >If you go to the concourse/ipass web sites, you'll >not find a whole bundle of info about pricing - they >seem to be following the wayport et. al. model from >what I can tell. Time for an email to concourse... >I'll post what I find out (if anything.) > > > I was amused by one of the comments on slashdot: > > > > "Unless the thing supports IPSec, it would be 100% useless for business > > travelers > > > > Last time I was at the IETF, in Pittsburgh, Marconi was running the show >and > > gave everyone 802.11 cards. I plugged mine into my notebook and fired up >my > > Ethernet sniffer, which collected approximately 700+ webmail > > username/password pairs, over 100 POP logins, a good littering of telnet > > logins, a bunch of tunneled CIFS logins, and other assorted good stuff. > > Enough to crack into a user account at a large portion of the >represented > > telco R&D firms. What I learned at IETF that year: the >telecommunications > > world was still too stupid to be allowed to own wireless ethernet. > >I can vouch for that. At Nanog22 during one of the breaks, >someone put up a slide with 40 or so passwords on it that they had >snarfed with dsniff. >-- >andyw@pobox.com > >Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >Minnesota >http://www.tcwug.org >tcwug-list@tcwug.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From andyw at pobox.com Wed Jan 30 15:50:24 2002 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:35 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Wireless at MSP airport In-Reply-To: ; from asim_beg@hotmail.com on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 09:55:41AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020130154025.L26216@florence.linkmargin.com> Asim Beg wrote: > Just curious what you guys think of yesterday's article in Star Tribune. > http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/1130636.html Look for a revised, more in-depth article by the same journalist on Monday. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Jan 30 16:45:10 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:35 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] drivin' Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA003514C24@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Wow, it's amazing how many AP's are wide open here. Went driving for about 2 hours the other night, and found over 150 AP's. Only about 25% had WEP enabled. Sad. Even residential neighborhoods have a ton of them. Also, there's one SSID that pops up all over the U, it's "SNAPPLE". Do Snapple machines have 802.11 in them to tell the Snapple drivers when they are low? Chipolte also has one, and WEP is disabled. I hope it's not for their credit card machine. Rainbow foods have them for each register, and wep is disabled. Jay From andyw at pobox.com Wed Jan 30 17:15:22 2002 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:35 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] drivin' In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA003514C24@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 04:34:26PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA003514C24@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020130170252.N26216@florence.linkmargin.com> Austad, Jay wrote: > Wow, it's amazing how many AP's are wide open here. Went driving for about > 2 hours the other night, and found over 150 AP's. Only about 25% had WEP > enabled. Sad. Yup it's stunning, isn't it. I've logged something north of 544 access points, with 191 running WEP (35%.) Careful that you don't fall into the trap of assuming that because you can stumble an unencrypted 'net that it's open. Just because you can get associated with an AP doesn't mean you can move data. > Even residential neighborhoods have a ton of them. Also, there's one SSID > that pops up all over the U, it's "SNAPPLE". Do Snapple machines have > 802.11 in them to tell the Snapple drivers when they are low? We've got some list members from the U, speak up :-) You can watch the residential units multiply like rabbits in affluent neighborhoods, there's a street round the corner from me with 4 linksys units running (all on the same channel, all without WEP.) Two of those cropped up just after Christmas - guess what santa brought :-) > Chipolte also has one, and WEP is disabled. I hope it's not for their > credit card machine. It is not; but it does provide free internet access if you so desire. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 From andyw at pobox.com Wed Jan 30 21:37:47 2002 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:35 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Wireless at MSP airport In-Reply-To: ; from asim_beg@hotmail.com on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 09:55:41AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020130130307.I26216@florence.linkmargin.com> This just in from Concourse Communications: > In answer to your questions, the WiFi access at Minneapolis St. Paul > International Airport works like this: > Negotiations are currently underway with various ISPs for coverage at the > airport. Once the system is up and running, we will be able to give you a > complete listing of those ISPs. The amount you pay, if any, will be set by > your ISP. If the ISP you personally subscribe to is not part of this > listing, or if you do not currently subscribe to one, than a fee of > approximately $6 to $8 per day will be charged to you. So, it's not really free to "Joe Traveler" - as we had suspected. They did a nice job of spinning it for the Strib, though. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634