On 8/26/05, Anton Oussik < antonoussik at gmail.com > wrote: > I don't really like junk losing the properties of original junk. Sure, > lying in a pig pile it seems like junk, but you are occisionally able > to extract useful items from piles of things if you look hard enough. I never suggested losing the properties, merely putting the items in a 'container' that would be dynamically created. Taking items out of the pile they would be the same as they always are. > Volume brings up the question of how big are things? Outside towns one > square is one mile. Inside a town one square is half a building or a > small house. Inside a building one square is somewhere between the > size of a ring and the size of a dragon. This is not a complaint or > anything like that, stylised representation of items is needed for > playability and works very well, but it still leaves the question of > how big things are and how many of them you can put on one tile. ok, currently one square holds one person, even if they stretch out their hands, they don't occupy more than one square. This therefore suggests that the squares are sides of at least 1 fathom (that being the distance of someone between their outstretched hands. This is consistant with a bed being 1 square. Given that one tick is about 1 second of game time (not real time), and that a player moves 1 square a tick at speed 1, this gives a walking speeed such that at speed of 1.0 a mile is covered in (1 mile is 8 furlongs, is 80 chains, is 880 fathoms) 880 seconds, or 14.7 minutes (which is about correct). The indoor maps are smaller on the outdoor maps, it tends to be the case, that 1 square outdoors correlates to 8-12 squares indoors. If the indoor squares are 1 fathom across, then the outside ones are about 10 fathoms across. Or almost 1 chain (11 fathoms). Since the value of 11:1 is well within the range of values that are used, and since it is a round number. It seems reasonable to consider each of the world map squares to be 1 chain. All the more so since this is the size used for buildings, and buildings have in the real world been set out on a scale of 1 chain for a house. from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_%28length%29 "In the laying out of towns in Australia and New Zealand, most building lots in the past were a quarter of an acre, measuring one chain by two and a half chains, and other lots would be multiples or fractions of a chain. As a consequence, the street frontages of many houses in these countries are one chain wide — roads were almost always one chain wide (20.117 m) in urban areas, sometimes one and a half (30.175 m) or two chains (40.234 m)." In game most roads are 1 or 2 squares wide, which also fits in nicely. Furthermore, by adopting this standard, it means that 10 squares on the world map is 1 furlong, which gives a nice way to measure distances, because it is also about 1 screen (default is a map view of 11x11 IIRC). in the gtk2 client, it is about twice that, so you see one furlong in all directions. Ooh, and it also makes the distance from scorn to navar about 9 miles (75 furlongs), which is a somewhat saner estimate than 1000's of miles. 9 miles says 'you /can/ walk this but probably don't want to do so very often'. In terms of dealing with volume calculations then, if each object is measured in cubic links, then there are about a thousand cubic links in a cube 1 fathom by 1 fathom by 1 fathom (who said imperial units were complicated :) )