Hey Steve- You're right. It seems I glossed over the need for immediate satisfaction as a core requirement for a hobby-project. Let's begin traveling down option #2. There might be some interesting engineering challenges creating "hotspots" as well. Perhaps we could get more people and companies on board to setup psudo-public "hotspots" if we guaranteed that the users wouldn't use up too much bandwidth. Does this sort of promise lead the group down a path of setting up our own virtual-tunneled network? That right there sounds like a good engineering project. Setting up each node and maintaining them is also a worthwhile endevour for members of TC-WUG not interested in the "way-too-techie" side of things. Okie, that's one suggestion. How does the rest of the group see it? > i'm happy to lend energies to either of the above projects, however i > think that we'll see the greatest satisfaction from door #2 more > immediately and we'll have an excuse to move to door #1 down the line. > [much omitted here and there...] Regards, ---Matthew Genelin--- _ _ __ ---//\/\atthew (|_;enelin--- ---------------------------------------------------------------- - Matthew Genelin (612) 636-2472 (cell) - - Engineering Student (651) 636-1842 (parents) - - University of Minnesota, TC n0ynt at amsat.org - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Two Eskimos sitting in a kayak were chilly, but when they lit a fire in the craft, it sank, proving one again that you can't have your kayak and heat it, too. - Jim Ley's Joke List