Mark Wedel wrote: > One could argue that given the choice, you'd almost always want to > fly over water than swim anyways. I see that as an issue in itself - flying then becomes the preferred movement type. Now maybe if you were easier to hit with missiles when flying and/or also easier to push around (knockback code has modifier for friction I believe) it might be more attractive to swim sometimes. If you can't pick up things, are easier to hit and can get blow about then flying is a bit more balanced. If you got some cover when swimming it might make it even better. > One could also see some switch like 'auto_move selection' or > something. But ideally, I want to keep it simple so that isn't > needed. And in the case of swimming, switching automatically could > possibly unequip items, making it pretty unpopular (think about cases > where there may be small amounts of water in dungeons near nasty > monsters). > > Maybe explicitly requiring the player to use the method of movement > is what needs to be done. Thus may be needed just for sanity sake - > player loaded down accidentally running into the lake and drowning > would be pretty annoying. And putting in a special case where if > movement type is something beyond walk, we strip that out wouldn't be > that hard to do, unless we want to make walking a basic skill. Well this was my point for flying. Mistakenly flying out to sea and drowning would be pretty crappy. So either you walk into water and unequip items in hand automatically or you are blocked from entering water until you unequip your items and switch to swimming skill... Having players have to choose their movement type is certainly an option. It avoids a lot of problems and allows for some interesting map puzzles where players could choose to swim in a sand lake or climb a invisible wall. It would also allow them to try (and fail) to swim in grass or climb a lake. > In cases of impassable terrain (high mountains or something?), > perhaps take damage on landing, but once you have landed, should be OK. > > If you land in the water, you should perhaps drown - if you're flying > over dangerous areas, in a sense, your doing it at your own risk. If > fatigue is added, that would be a similiar danger to swimming. Yes in most cases (like mountains) you would simply be stuck until you could fly again. If over shallow water you might be able to swim. If flying over deep water you would be in trouble - this is a good thing however I think - it means you better be careful flying over deep water. Flying over hostile terrain you would take the appropriate damage each turn until you could get off the terrain.