The 4-Way Test
Of the things we think, say or do:


Is it the TRUTH?
Is it FAIR to all concerned?
Will it build GOODWILL and BETTER FRIENDSHIPS?
Will it be BENEFICIAL to all concerned?

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 8:16 AM, Sandwhich Eyes <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ryan Coleman their website was down as i had talked to them on the phone
> and they told me. you seem to be angry about something. would you care to
> elaborate on your attack? you seem to be against the idea of a think tank.
> before the internet i used to buy a case of beer and go to a mechanics shop
> and learn how to swap out engines and such. so much more work than looking
> on the internet. i have no desire to be anon. i merely suggest that people,
> not everyone is like you, seem to care about privacy. i appreciate your
> response, but i have to say you sound like you are being a dick and almost
> sound ignorant of the ideas that i have. curious, what did you do before
> the internet, where you a troll then too?
>
> I have spent several hours reading about and i can tell that there is so
> much out there and in many different directions. my ideas are leading
> me to some more ideas. open existence. a group similar to tclug to answer
> questions from how to start a fire with 2 sticks to how to put
> power back into the grid. i seen a man working in his garage and i thought
> there is a man who can do something by himself without relying
> someone else to do it for him. what if i had a disk full of free and
> openly distributable information on how to make generator (a piece of
> wire and a magnet isn't difficult to understand), how to farm, how to
> build a $50 underground house , etc,; basically a disk full how to not
> rely on the value or the dollar, while allowing you to put electric into
> the local grid, food into the local area, mesh communication using
> your existing radio/cell phone.  less big bank and more community. (yeah,
> i pulled out the conspiracy theory card -ryan you
> going to run with this?)
> a group of people who care about community and people, when the power goes
> out the local generators feed into the network. when
> phones are out mesh keeps communications going.
> Think like a Rotarian here people. not everyone is a recluse troll type,
> many people want to go out of their homes and comfort zones
> and communicate with like minded people and try and improve the lives of
> people (rich/poor young/old am kindergarten/ pm kindergarten)
> That is what research does to me. i think in terms of people, not money or
> power.
>
> The 4-Way Test
>
> Of the things we think, say or do:
>
>
>
>
>
>    1.
>
>    Is it the TRUTH?
>    2.
>
>    Is it FAIR to all concerned?
>    3.
>
>    Will it build GOODWILL and BETTER FRIENDSHIPS?
>    4.
>
>    Will it be BENEFICIAL to all concerned?
>
> I am not against harsh answers, even though they discourage me from trying
> to do good, i will play along though. i hope you (my tclug peers)
> understand if i get a little rude at times when i am discouraged. my
> apologies if i upset anyone. i will do my best to separate content with
> paragraphs. i am putting random ideas on tclug. connect mesh with linux
> here: http://project-byzantium.org/ connect tclug with community and
> making the world a better place for everyone; read the threads, we do that
> here.
>
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Sandwhich Eyes <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> it wouldn't have to be anon i just assume that is a concern to people.
>> granted i have a limited understanding of mesh, but that doesn't mean that
>> it can't be imagined in a different light. the general idea is when you
>> hook up and are given an ip address you could be given alerts. how you get
>> these alerts and whether or not there is hardware on the node/router unit
>> in your home is what the question is.
>> lets say the sirens go off, yes the air raid sirens are our alert system
>> out here, and the fire dept volunteers are up and running. lets say the
>> sirens are out due to power loss.
>>
>>
>> Actually that’s the case everywhere in this fine country. We just called
>> them tornado sirens but they’re classified as “civilian alert sirens” but I
>> digress. And if they are without power (because the required generator [2 I
>> think?] is dead then they send someone to fix that and get it back up. When
>> the CAS are without power that’s a liability for the county and they tend
>> to give them first attention to get fixed which is why most municipalities
>> test them more than the one day a month that Hennepin County tests them. I
>> know Olmsted tests theirs every Wednesday morning with a growl test. I also
>> know that Appleton, Wisconsin, fires theirs at 1pm every weekday. YMMV.
>>
>> the fireman have a node and it alerts them according to the sign in they
>> used that had required them to choose which alerts to get or whether or not
>> to get them at all. teacher is at school and ships out homework. a child at
>> home receives alerts due to the sign in system which makes you choose which
>> alerts to receive or whether to receive them at all. the city has a meeting
>> and someone wants to watch but doesn't want the city hall people to know
>> for whatever reason; idk there could be a reason to be anonymous.
>>
>>
>> I don’t see how this analogy equates… text alerts are better one - the
>> CAS are there for all to hear whether they want to or not. Sometimes
>> they’re late, sometimes not.
>>
>> DYK you can opt out of the amber alerts and weather alerts on your cell
>> phone? Ahyep. https://www.google.com/?q=opt%20out%20of%20amber%20al
>> erts%20on%20mobile
>>
>> i am so busy right now that i am not doing my due diligence
>>
>>
>> Paragraphs might help. :)
>>
>> but i don't want to forget a good idea or sit and think about a good idea
>> when it is in reality not a good idea. as i wrap my head around this i
>> realize that there is nothing written in stone, not all ideas are going to
>> work, and that there is still much for me to learn.
>>
>>
>> If you want true anonymity either use TOR or GOML, unplug your computer,
>> take the battery out of your smart phone and sell your car. This isn’t the
>> 1850s anymore and we’ve had a long time to get used to the changes.
>>
>> School talk is taking most of my time right now. and this clover pos
>> system. i did security research on it for a business out here. while i was
>> trying to learn about it their website went down. i am like wow they can't
>> handle html but they are providing a secure pos system? but mostly the
>> school talk is my focus for the next week here. i will offer more sound
>> (but still odd) ideas in the near future.
>>
>>
>> You’d be amazed how often you think someone’s website is down and, in
>> reality, your link to their host’s system is down. I don’t want a product
>> that spends thousands of dollars a year on a website that glitters in the
>> sunlight if they have a solid product and stand behind it.
>>
>> What did you do before we had internet? :)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Iznogoud <iznogoud at nobelware.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 02:02:53PM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>> >
>>> > MESH networks do not have AP capabilities. They are nodes that are
>>> designed to allow for self-healing and then, from there, you have your APs.
>>> That’s the proper design, anything more complicated would probably either
>>> fail in a short period of time or be very overwhelmed.
>>> >
>>>
>>> What this person said.
>>>
>>> There is no need for anyone to have any more accounts... This is purely
>>> an
>>> access mechanism that is "self healing" (in lack of a better phrase). And
>>> there can certainly be limits that are put on access so that abuse is
>>> kept
>>> to a minimum.
>>>
>>> Accounts go with account/service providers. Use "twitter" for example and
>>> have the mesh be a medium. No?
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